Hey Joggers!

[Bodean]

So, I used to run a long time ago, before beer and cigarrettes.
I've been trying to run at least once a week, usually monday or tuesday.
Run for about an hour, down the beach and back. Love it at Sunset.

I'm hoping to try and race at some point, like 40 and over.


So any runners here?
Any Racers?

I know Darin, Butch, Roger and Nick do/did some running,

I got 55 minutes tonight. As I was running my keys gently chink.
Tonight a bat came and swooped on me chittering sha bee bee at me.


Maybe this could be a weekly mileage checkin thread.

Stretch it out folks.

[MasterBlaster]

I'm running half of the five miles I do. :drink:

[Bodean]

HEck YEAH, BUTCH,

That's what'm talking about, This is a get stoked on running/jogging thread.

I have to run after an absolutly uneventful day at work,
If I don't climb or exert energy at work or during,
I have to run or my minds' Chemistry doesn't feel right.

I'm like a dog, I gotta sweat or run every day.

[Paul B]

No running for me for years, I used to be a hella runner in highschool though. These days a brisk walk behind the stroller is my goal for a couple kilometers, maybe jogging in the spring, its kinda tough with all the snow and ice on the ground these days.

[Dave Shepard]

Paul, you need yaks.;)

I only run for my life, any other running is too risky for my petite build.:lol::lol:

[Paul B]

I have been wearing my Danner mountain light II's lately, 3/4" vibram lug soles dont lend themselves to going very quickly. and I hear ya, the only time I have run since high school, I was getting chased ;)
http://cfs5.tistory.com/upload_control/download.blog?fhandle=YmxvZzE2NDk0OUBmczUudGlzdG9y eS5jb206L2F0dGFjaC8wLzAuSlBH

[CurSedVoyce]

I only run for my life, any other running is too risky for my petite build.:lol::lol:

Ditto!.. I think I drag and walk up and down enough steep hills to not have to anyway....
Once a GF of mine wanted me to take up jogging. I asked her how far... She felt cause I did not jog I should just mark off 3 miles and try that with her. So I did.. Just outside of Worcester MA at a reservoir with variant terrain. Hills and flat. I had to pick her up with the truck 1/2 way round the 3 miles, figure :roll:
I humored her though and jogged with her till she just gave up :lol:

[Dave Shepard]

Yaks:

http://www.the-perfect-present.com/Images_Yaktrax/yaktrax_pro_700_3d.jpg

[Bodean]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh, Paul, where can I find a pair of those?


Those look cool, to replace my vasque sundowners that are broke as a joke.



But NO DERAILS, This is about Jogging and or Running.

[Paul B]

Sorry Bo-Deva, here is a link to the mighty treads exterior to your thread: http://www.danner.com/product/men%26rsquo-s-women%26rsquo-s+mountain+light+ii+hiking+boots.do?search=basic&keyword=mountain+ligh&sortby=price&asc=false&page=1

[Old Monkey]

My body isn't good for jogging anymore. I have some issues. What I want to do is to run track again. I am thinking of seeing if they have any old fart track meets in Idaho.

[Bodean]

I just made it a favorite, thanks paul, I'm gonna buy a pair tommorrow when I get paid.

How do the sizes Run, big, small?




This thread is about running, there's a boot thread somewhere else with Altissimus.



Thanks Paul. alot.

[Paul B]

Bodeen.. mine fit kinda large. I have had 3 pairs of Danners, my mountain light !!'s are prolly more than 12 years old, once in a while use, TOTALLY waterproof still. Resoled twice I think, maybe once. just grease the uppers once in a while with some good boot dressing and use a seamsealer when you first get them, seems to keep the stitching from imploding early.

I think I paid damn near $400 for mine back in the day, the canuckian dollar wasnt so hot vs the yankee buck.

oh, in reference to running I remember in high school my best on road half mile was about 2:15 and my best on road mile was about 4:35. I did a mile and a half once a year, we called it the 'milk run' and raised $$ for some organization, best time was 8:45 or something like that. Heck it was only 20 or so years ago! :P

[rbtree]

My body isn't good for jogging anymore. I have some issues. What I want to do is to run track again. I am thinking of seeing if they have any old fart track meets in Idaho.

I've always wanted to do some master's track events. But now my knees would protest too much..

and when I took up skiing, I lost interest in running and jumping....Well, 'cept with skis on.

There are few master's events, tho

[Old Monkey]

I figure when you sprint you run on your toes and there is less wear and tear on your knees. Jogging is too much pounding.

[MasterBlaster]

I don't think that's true, they both pretty much do the same thing to your legs and feet. Sprinting will give you bigger calves.

For me, the secret to running is starting slow. I walked the entire 5 miles for a long time until I got up the gumption to try running and when I did it was only 2/ 10ths of a mile, then I would walk the same distance as a break. Then back to running.

[Old Monkey]

I found a couple of Masters track clubs locally last night. They put on a bunch of all comer meets in June. I might try it for giggles.

[treetx]

I figure when you sprint you run on your toes and there is less wear and tear on your knees. Jogging is too much pounding.


That is true. Being a heel striker has pounding consequences. Barefoot running greatly reduces heel striking.

One thing to consider - the human body (most of us) was not designed to run more than short distances. A marathon runner doesn't have a longer life expectancy than someone who walks 30 minutes a day.

Well Bodean, it was your thread. I see jive about the wind in your hair and how long you were perving chicks on the beach but nothing about how far you ran. Mileage kids, put up or shut up! :D

I do 3.1 miles once a week (22-25minutes). I used to do it 3 times a week.....

[Bodean]

7 miles once a week.

Working on multiple days.

That's the spirit Nathan, put up or the shush's

[MasterBlaster]

7 miles all at once? Wow.

[treetx]

yeah, that is what I though Butch. Great, a smoker is kicking my ass. ;)
I was never much of a runner. Even now, I try to do my 3 miles faster rather than go longer.

3miles takes me 22-25min
5miles takes 45

[MasterBlaster]

And you do it non-stop?

[Bodean]

I could always run just like Forest Gump.


and he just kept running..................
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Running gets me rushing on endorphins.

Plus Nate you gotta understand I ran from 4th grade to 4th year College.
Straight, By the time I quit I hated running or racing for points.

It's been a little over ten years and I think I can run again.
and yes maybe it will curb my smoking.

[MasterBlaster]

No wonder you're so skinny!

[NickfromWI]

This thread is a piece of shit. I ran competitively for 8 years and loved it till the end. Then, after I got done with college and realized that life doesnt have a track team, I haven't run a total of more than 20 miles in the last 8 years...TOTAL. It wasn't fun for me without teammates and the weekly races.

Now this (crappy) thread is making me think I should go out for a little run.

[MasterBlaster]

Why so negative, Mr. Negative Man?

[NickfromWI]

The guilt of not running for almost a decade is sinking in!

[MasterBlaster]

Hell, I'm just starting and I'm a couple years older...

[Paul B]

Nick, lift some old ladies purse in a busy street, I betcha you find a reason to run then! :P

[ewsa]

I average about 15 miles a week. I just put in a few here and there after workouts in the gym or outside when the weathers nice. Sore legs is one of the most satisfying feelings.

[Bodean]

Nice EWSA. :beerchug:


The guilt of not running for almost a decade is sinking in!

Way to go Nick!

Sinking in is before thinking is before believeing is before doing.

You're well on your way to a couple miles a day.



I want to get up to where I can run along the beach to work, maybe 6.5 miles
and get a ride home in the afternoon a couple days a week.

[OTGBOSTON]

I just read an interesting article in Men's Health that said that running harder and faster is better than running long distances. Think 'suicides' on a b-ball court, or 'burners' on the street (run at a normal pace and then sprint for a stretch between telephone poles, repeat)

I have a few routes I run in my neighborhood, with varying distances and terrain. I quit smoking for new years and my vacation/holiday weight is depressing. I plan on running everyday, so I look good in my speedo this summer;)

[Newfie]

I just read an interesting article in Men's Health that said that running harder and faster is better than running long distances. Think 'suicides' on a b-ball court, or 'burners' on the street (run at a normal pace and then sprint for a stretch between telephone poles, repeat)

Intervals are a great way to train.

If I'm not chasing a ball, I don't run anymore. I just don't have that cross country body anymore. I find it much more gratifying to run now with the hope of ruining someone's day on the other end of that sprint.:D

[Bodean]

Just got back from 40 minutes.
Probably at least 5 miles.

[MasterBlaster]

Have a smoke!

[Greenhorn]

Intervals are the way to go, having said that I often fall into a moderate pace and daydream a bit while jogging/running. Thinking of trying an actual track and running the straights and jogging the turns. Trail running is pretty fun too.

[stig]

Intervals are the way to go, having said that I often fall into a moderate pace and daydream a bit while jogging/running. Thinking of trying an actual track and running the straights and jogging the turns. Trail running is pretty fun too.

One really good way to keep your mind on the run, is to wear a heartbeat monitor. You can set the better models to beep if your pulse gets too low, that'll keep you on your toes.
Also if you are running along feeling like you are pushing yourself a little and you look at the monitor and see a working pulse of less than 100-120, you are fooling yourself.........more speed.
I took an instructor course in vascular training some years back, they taught us a great way to really build up Heart/lung condition, that I used when I was still an active fighter ( I still fight, but not seriously anymore).
Set the monitor to beep at pulse 120/min. Run long enough to get "the oil warmed up", I used to do 2½ miles. Then you start running intervals: Jog slowly in place waiting for your pulserate to fall to 120, at the beep, run as fast as you possibly can for as long as you can keep it up. and I'm talking about seeing red spots in front of your eyes before stopping. Then jog in place until the beeper goes off again and repeat.
Keep repeating until you are done in. This is really hard, but you'll soon be able to do more intervals and with shorter breaks to get the pulse down.
I used to run the 2½ miles out and do intervals the whole way home. Takes ½ hour and gives you a great workout. Perfect for the busy man or him who'd rather spend time in the dojo than pounding asfalt.
I have always hated running, but until my knees gave in, I ran 3 times a week, nothing else substitutes for building condition IMO.

[jamie]

i was getting quite into my running (my good lady is a runner and looks good in lycra:D) i only try to run in the hills (which are a 20 min run from my house). i was going well until my IT (illiotibial) band decided that i'd done enough. now i get to about 20 mins and i have to stop due to the pain. i've tried physio but no success, stretching it doesn't seem to work. and work seems to agrevate it :cry:

before my IT band affected me too much i did the hunters bog trot (http://www.shr.uk.com/RaceResults.aspx) a short race round the hill in teh centre of town. i wasn't feeling good and my leg started acting up. i'f you're really keen they even got pictures of me. there are about 4 of me but look for pictures 6 and 97 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottishhillrunners/sets/72157604620718224/).

i want to get back into it, i was quite enjoying my 7 miles runs, marking off all the hills that i was running (and planning mountains)

Jamie

[MasterBlaster]

I just finished my workout - it's whiskey-thirty!

[Bodean]

Alot of the time it's not the workout I want, but running through the trails like a hound on Bigfoot's heels.

Interval work Stig? We called that Fartlek. Or indian file. No offense to Indians.

[cory]

I think trail running is awesome.

MB, starting slow is the best way to do it. How long have you been running?

[MasterBlaster]

Never in my life until about three months ago. I've always walked my treadmill, but in order to speed things up I started running - intervals. I'm up to a .25 running, then a .25 walking break, then repeat for a total of 5 miles. Next week I'll bump the running up to .30, which will reduce the walking break part to .20.

My goal is to eventually run the entire five miles.

[No_Bivy]

cool.....careful of those knees.

My form of trail runninng is more like "sport bushwhacking". power hike up hills, crawl sometimes...speed it up on the downhills

[Skwerl]

I'll run if I'm crossing a street and a car comes up unexpectedly....
:/:

[woodworkingboy]

Skwerl, were you ever into sports?

[Skwerl]

I actually ran cross country for a year in 8th grade. I was also in wrestling for a year, just never had the skill or desire to pursue it further. I was always too small to participate in team sports.

[woodworkingboy]

Cross country is a gutsy sport. Running the 440 is even more so. People who run the 800 meters are nuts.

[OTGBOSTON]

Jay, those events are an all out sprint these days. I used to run the 600 indoors and it was like a sprint/deathmatch to the finish, with elbows being thrown and 'accidental' tripping.

[woodworkingboy]

That's what I mean...pretty much an all out sprint at those distances, it requires mean azz stamina. Never knew about the elbows thing.
I ran the hurdles in high school, but I'm slow. I was only good enough to get into one meet, and I tripped over the last hurdle and went sprawling on my face....never heard the end of it from my friends :|:

[MasterBlaster]

cool.....careful of those knees.


My knees are just fine, but the toes on my crushed foot sure do cause me some grief. I'm thinking maybe a stairmaster gizmo might work better for me.

[jamie]

we went to watch an international cross country event in town. the kenyans were super tiny, i reckon their legs were the same size as my arms........

Jamie

[treetx]

4 miles!

[Bodean]

Nice Nate. :beerchug:

we went to watch an international cross country event in town. the kenyans were super tiny, i reckon their legs were the same size as my arms........

Jamie

During the NCAA's Steeple chase,
I noticed an amazing amount of Kenyans in my heat.

Apparently in the year before the Olympics, alot of Kenyans come to
american colleges to run time trials for Olympic qualifiers.

I didn't win that one.

[cory]

My knees are just fine, but the toes on my crushed foot sure do cause me some grief. I'm thinking maybe a stairmaster gizmo might work better for me.

Are they banging into the front of your shoe? What about putting the T mill on an incline up? Maybe that'd be the same effect as a S master.

[MasterBlaster]

No, it's permanent nerve damage. My shoes fit just fine. I just run through the pain - it's all in my head.

[cory]

Is walking on a treadmill the same workout as walking outside? I just wonder if when you get outside and walk it just feels different and maybe even harder since you're not in the controlled setting anymore.

[MasterBlaster]

I prefer a treadmill, especially when it's 98 degrees with 100% humidity.

[CurSedVoyce]

Cmere boss.. I'll work ya out ;)
Only have to walk :D

[MasterBlaster]

Trust me, I can give myself my own workout.

[CurSedVoyce]

Hills and such here... everyday is a work out :D

[Bodean]

Ran for an hour today down the wharf to the ferry building, Close to 7 miles with google maps.
I've been running every other day now for close to a year or more.
I've got a few routes all about 7-8 miles.
I quit smoking about 5 months ago.

Running and stretching.
I'm running like crazy, getting ready for the dipsea run.
Classic hundred year race from Mill Valley to Stinson.
http://www.dipsea.org/course.html

Love running, some people are crack babies, I was a running baby.

Amazing how running gives me way more stamina on hard days climbing.

[Skwerl]

Glad to hear you finally kicked the cigarette habit. :thumbup:

[brendonv]

That's awesome.

Getting a good workout one day, makes me full of energy the following day. I can't run these days but mountain biking fills the void.

[No_Bivy]

coool...Deva. No run here......just rode meh mtn bike though, same buzz

[cory]

Deva, one of the world's best runners is in your backyard- Dean Karnazes. His book, "Ultra Marathon Man," is very good.

Brendon, why can't you run these days?

[No_Bivy]

barefoot runner...........

[cory]

You mean you are a BF runner? BF rocks.

[MasterBlaster]

Amazing how running gives me way more stamina on hard days climbing.

Whodathunkit!!!

8)

[brendonv]

It's hell on my back. Between the slipped lower vertebra and flat feet, it's a recipe for disaster.

[MasterBlaster]

That's why I walk on my treadmill. Low impact stuff.

[Bodean]

Deva, one of the world's best runners is in your backyard- Dean Karnazes. His book, "Ultra Marathon Man," is very good.

Brendon, why can't you run these days?

I know Kawika Spaulding, he's a bad boy long ultra marathoner, ran transamerica,
huntington beach, CA to NYC in 61 days, 48 miles a day straight. My dad was his trainer.
Drove alongside him at 3 mph the whole way, I had hitch hiked to Huntington to see them off.
Crazy people, they invited me to come but I declined.

I would never want to do that, I'd break physically.
But............he ran the western states 100 miler, broke his big toe, running it barefoot.
He came in 5th place, and finished with a hefty bag with the first 4 finishers shit, TP and powerbar garbage inside.
He's a nut.

[Bodean]

Thanks Guys, I'm stoked on running,
especially since it's rain season and not as apt to ride the KTM.

[cory]

You are saying he still finished with a broken big toe?? And he picked up garb along the way? Thats insane.

Your father trained him; dad's a big runner, or was?

[SouthSoundTree]

Last I ran was for the southern Illinois River to River relay in 2006. Didn't really run before that, except for high school gym class, and a bit in the mid 90's.

80 miles/ 8 runners per team/ three sections per runner/ ~3.3 miles legs. Hilly between the Ohio and Illinois Rivers bounding the lower part of the state (not like flat cornland Illinois).

Started training for it two weeks before. Was building up my mileage/ stamina. Was planning for Friday before the Sunday race day to be my biggest training day, with a day to rest before the race. On the Thursday before, after getting back from my training run, I found out that the race was actually Saturday, so I'd just finished training.

I was a bit intimidated, as there were some serious runners on the team, I thought. My friend did the worst section with 1.25 miles of continuous climbing to a hill top, to drop down on the other side. A woman was an ultra-marathoner, so I thought she would be the powerhouse, but turned out to be not very good at continuous running, a lot of walking.

I pulled out some stops, not all of them. Did pretty well, in that we finished under the time limit for the race.

Since then, I've run out to the car, run out to the barn, run out to the store (by car). I think that my knees are happier that way.

[cory]

I couldn't find Kawika in the Western States finishers, maybe if was a different ultra?

[Bodean]

Here's something on Kawika

http://therunningbarefoot.com/?p=304

[cory]

Cool.

What do you think of the barefoot running thing??

[Buzz]

Well I guess I'll jump in.

Since I stopped climbing I went from 10 1/2 stone to 13 in 2 years. Most of my time now is consultancy so mine is a fitness driven motivator.

I started running when the kids were staying with me in August, gave up the fags at the same time (10 a day).

My trouble is I have the mental strength of a lion and went at it like a bull in a china shop. Built up the distance from 1.5 miles to 6 in a week and damaged my knee in the process.

I did my first 10k race in mid-September and completed in 54 mins. Fitting in the running is a tough one, I try to get out at least 3 times a week.

I'm currently training for a 10-12 miles 'HellRunner' cross country race in November, to be truthful though I don't think my knee is going to hold up. I did 15k (10 miles ish) last weekend in an hour and a half.

I do enjoy it, the last time I ran properly was at 20 when I was training to be a cop.

I definitely intend to keep it up :)

[Bodean]

Cool.

What do you think of the barefoot running thing??

Honestly?

Cool on the beach but lame on the road, I got Howley feet.

Good pair of shoes will help with injuries, like shin splints and knee pain.
try to change them out for new ones every 5-600 miles.

[cory]

How did your father come to training Kawika?

[MasterBlaster]

What are Howely feet?

[OTGBOSTON]

Cool.

What do you think of the barefoot running thing??

There are several shoes on the market that 'mimic' barefoot running. Big upside is you won't hurt your feets.

these are the ones I wear..http://longevity.about.com/od/lifelongfitness/gr/nike-free-shoe.htm

[cory]

Cool.

I do alot of barefoot walking cuz my knee is too shot to run. I go in the woods on some rooty, rocky trails. Acorns and broken acorn shells are challenging. It's a great foot workout. The only danger I think is stubbing or breaking a toe on the swinging forward. The feet feel great afterward. Injury to the sole of foot, barring stepping on nails or thorns, seems to be no problem once you get used to it.

[Bodean]

They'd been friends forever.
Kawika's just a nut, I'll scan a picture someday.

My dad's a massage therapist, the hawaiian lomi lomi.

Butch, Howley feet are soft feet not used to being barefoot.

[MasterBlaster]

What are Howely feet?

Again I ass...

[Bodean]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=howlie
you shouldn't have to ass twice.

[MasterBlaster]

I'm familiar with the word, I just don't know about the feet part. Hey, I tried! (http://www.google.com/search?q=What+are+Howely+feet%3F&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=1I7GPEA_enUS295)

[Bodean]

More Running, another hour of running.


I ran down by the wharf and this lady yelled out at me, "Run! Shithead, Run!"
I was too tired to look back, almost broke me down, I figured I'm ok with being a shithead.


I don't know about running around barefoot in Urban San Francisco.

[woodworkingboy]

Crap, isn't there any civility in San Francisco?

[MasterBlaster]

Homolity, maybe, lol.

"Run! Shithead, Run!" :lol:

[cory]

That's a wack thing to say, she must be a pleasure to be around.

Guy at work, 20 y.o., 160 lbs, strong as ox, extreme agility, likes to fight alot, mad smoker until 3 weeks ago when he decided to quit. Now he's starting to jog a little...

[Bodean]

Tell you what, Cory. It takes the edge off for sure.

Jay, She was probably a tourist.
That's what i thought when she said it.

[squisher]

Lol, yah cause there certainly wouldn't be any crazy locals around.

I'm thinking about taking up a bit of jogging when I move, where I live now is all insane hills, not highly motivating.

[CurSedVoyce]

Ever been to San Francisco? :lol:

[squisher]

I know a couple of people from there. One dude who's a straight up kick ass treeman. And yah, crazy too.

I'd like to go there one day, maybe. Cities aren't really my thing.

[Newfie]

I hear its really flat there.

[squisher]

I hear its really flat there.

Yah I've heard that too and noticed it in Deva's moto vids.

Lol.

[sotc]

Maybe the horse will turn the tables and ride you down the road!

[CurSedVoyce]

HAHAHAHA Maybe in places.....


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[squisher]

Maybe the horse will turn the tables and ride you down the road!


Lol not likely. My horse will jog with me though, loose line and totally respectful/responsive to my movements.

[SouthSoundTree]

I'm trying to get some motivation to use my wife's elliptical machine. I don't think that my knees really need the real-world jogging. They've had a hard life so far, and I will hope to keep them. Its going to be a long, wet winter. Cardiovascular health/ training is easy to overlook when you work as hard as we do. When I have to catch my breath a bit after a 50' ropewalk, I should do some more cardio.

Thanks for putting the jogging thread up. I'd sorta neglected specific CV training, and it goes so far for one's health. Hard to beat the intensity of running for a work out.

[cory]

Sqwish, your new home looks like it has awesome running possibilites...any trails around?? Trail running can be just absolutely awesome

[squisher]

Plenty of trails to be had, but more on the hillsides, too steep for me. I'll leave most of those to the horse.;)

[Skwerl]

Typical lazy bucket slug. :P

[Widow Shooter]

I run every other morning, usually 7-10k, sometimes more, trails as much as I can.

:)

[MasterBlaster]

That reminds me of a Six Feet Under opening scene... :/:

[Bodean]

I took Penny the dog on a 6 miler along the beach today after work.
Feels great to run after work, kinda sets it (the body) back into alignment.

I saw bare foot prints running in the sand, then I thought of a hypodermic needle going through my foot.

Anyway.


Keep going.

Justin, seems there are probably some fence line runs, right out the back door.
When I lived in a farm town, I would go out past the houses and run along the fences. Sunsets. etc.

Cary, that's cool you're consistent, it creates reliability.

[MasterBlaster]

I wouldn't be so paranoid about needles, mate. Just run!

[Bodean]

Just not barefoot.

[MasterBlaster]

On grass/sand? With healthy feet?

I can entertain the thought. :drink:

[cory]

Running barefoot on asphalt like on a backcountry state road, once the feet and legs are in shape, rocks.

[squisher]

Well now I'm gonna have to do some running, seeing how I got called a bucket slug, by a bucket slug!

[arborworks1]

Careful once you start it's hard to stop. I have taken a liking to being able to eat like a horse and still fit in my pants. Running on average 3-5 miles a day

[MasterBlaster]

Fugging A. The more you burn, the more lean mass you're packing = chow down!