Would you do this?

[rbtree]

This climber was just banned for talking back to Eric at TW....

He's a newly certified utility arborist, with plenty of skills and big balz, for sure.

I don't know if he's a member at other forums, but I'd like to get him over here, and just invited him.

Watch the videos closely......Ballsy?! Yup!!

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[Mr. Sir]

Seems kinda reckless, for sure. But if that's his job, like he said, "Somebody's got to do it."

I'd say he's a lucky SOB. That could have just as easily gone way bad for him.

[MasterBlaster]

What was he tied into? Too bad he couldn't have a proper climbing saw.

Talk back to Eric? I like him already!

[Blinky]

Hell yeah! Bring'em.

And get that man a 200T.

[Old Monkey]

The utility guys aren't allowed to use MS200T because they might one hand them. Nice solution. Did you see him bounce the saw off his thigh to get it back up into the cutting position? I cannot believe there was not a better way to do that.

[Skwerl]

Plan your work and work your plan. Resourceful thinking of him to tie into the wires. He figured out all the angles, made sure everything was going to swing away from him and was tied in twice with good footing before making the release cut. Of course it swung him a little but he was expecting that. :thumbup:

I agree with Butch, wrong saw for the job.

[No_Bivy]

damn that looked DUMB as hell!!!! Tied into the secondary wire?























He'll fit right in:lol:

[MasterBlaster]

So how did he find that shitworld place before here? He ain't an Aussie, that's for sure.

[brendonv]

I think the dude is at treebuzz too, IIRC.

Same user name... http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=154890&an=0&page=0#154890

[rbtree]

damn that looked DUMB as hell!!!! Tied into the secondary wires?








He'll fit right in:lol:

Not dumb, but ballsy, yup!!....those wires are strong.....and the power was off.....just like tight lining. That low down, those might have been the big cable wires, and phone that his feet were on...or vice versa.

He responded to me that he likes the speed of the 346.....well, he needs to run a muffler modded 338 like I do...it is plenty fast for what he does.

[Blinky]

damn that looked DUMB as hell!!!! Tied into the secondary wire?








He'll fit right in:lol:

That's what I'm thinking. I've stood on service and secondary lines but never tied into'em... They're usually strong so I guess it would be pretty much like using a 240v highline... . I saw Guy accidentally whack into one with a 21' Hayuchi and nothing happened, not even a pop.

But really, a bucket would've made that whole affair so much easier and eliminated most of the risks.

That was crazy as hell, he won't do that once he has kids but I thought it was creative and resourceful too. Maybe it looked reckless but I get the idea it went exactly how he wanted it to; he was in control... as much as you can be with a mess like that.

So what did he say to get exiled?

[Blinky]

I think that was power over his head and he was standing on a bundle of comms cable.

[Mr. Sir]

The wire he was resting his chin on at the end was the service drop.

rb, how do you know the power was off?

[Blinky]

If the power was off that makes it a LOT saner one handing that big saw. If they're utility guys it does make sense they could cut the line temporarily.

I can hear me calling Duke Energy right now... "umm, yes, I need a line disconnected for tree work... yes ma'am, a service drop... oh no ma'am! I don't want them to drop it, just disconnect it cuz I'm gonna tie into it with my rope..."

[JIML]

yeah, he was standing on com wire and the triplex was what the tree was on. That com wire is some stout s#it. I have sat on it, hung from it, seen it pinned on the ground... Alot of times the stuff I cut is on the phone. Usually breaks the primarys/neutral and still stuck on the phone. Seen some big phone wires launch some pretty good sized logs!

I run into stuff like that all the time on storms work. Fun stuff to deal with. They let us have 200t's though!

[No_Bivy]

I dunno...you never know how well a secondary really is......could be total shat

[Al Smith]

Big phone cable is usually hung on 3/8 or 1/2" steel messenger line ,pretty stout . The neutral on the tri plex is pretty stout ACSL -aluminum conductor steel reinforced . I still don't think I'd walk on it .

I have seen the phone company crew though hang a hook ladder on that stuff and make a mid span tie in .

[Mr. Sir]

I wouldn't have any problem walking on it or tying in to it. But after a tree fell on it :? I dunno.

[darkstar]

Did i see the correctly ?
He was making one handed undercuts ?
Lad has some strong arms if so.

[MasterBlaster]

rb, how do you know the power was off?


Because ANY OTHER WAY and that guy woulda be a complete idiot.

[Hobby Climber]

How about sparky for his user name!:lol:

[Blinky]

Sparky is good.

[Skwerl]

I'm saying if he's wack enough to climb out on a fallen lead on a service line, he's probably wack enough to do it with the power on.

That is completely ridiculous. I'm smart enough to be very comfortable working around non energized lines and have no problem using them for support or whatever AS LONG AS I KNOW THEY ARE NON ENERGIZED. Based on the storm damaged tree they are working on, I'll guess that it was not an isolated failure and there was most likely multiple widespread failures in the power distribution system.

Besides, he was on the phone line and a non energized service drop. You can tow a truck with one of those cables, your main concern is making sure the poles aren't compromised. It's a helluva lot stronger than his rope.

[MasterBlaster]

I've stood on HUGE power lines that were down during an ice storm, it was a rush! I've also stood on plenty of those lower, cable/telephone lines. They can hold a horse or two!

[Al Smith]

I'm not saying by any means it's a safe thing to do .However on a 120/240 volt service drop those conductors are cross link polyethlene insulated IE -xhhw ,That stuff is tough enough to drive a truck over without damaging it .

The phone line is a tight line the tri plex service drop a slack line .

I'm sure most people have seen phone poles blow over in the wind and the messenger line might be holding up half a dozen from going over which says something .

[Old Monkey]

It was how he handled that saw that bothered me the most. I did not like how close it was to his leg.

[darkstar]

I still want to know did he one handed do upper cuts.
That takes an arm.
I couldnt tell in the vid

[MasterBlaster]

That arm/shoulder will pay the price eventually.

[Skwerl]

Several years ago I went almost a year when I was unable to hold a top handle Echo one handed at arm's length shoulder high with the bar straight out. Looking back I realize now that I had torn something, but at the time I just thought I was weak and pushed myself harder, trying not to let anybody know how weak I was.

[sotc]

i agree that will kill your shoulders! id do that if the lines were grounded but as mentioned with a 200t

[rbtree]

That is completely ridiculous.

Besides, he was on the phone line and a non energized service drop. You can tow a truck with one of those cables, your main concern is making sure the poles aren't compromised. It's a helluva lot stronger than his rope.

Not quite, Brian. I'm sure those were pole to pole. I'd never stand on a service drop, as the mast where it is attached to a house would not be very strong.

I'm thinking his feet were on the cable, and upper body tied to the phone...or vice versa.....or the upper coulda been the secondary.

I agree on the 346 one handing....dicey...he'da really been dangling if the saw cut the lower line.

[sawinredneck]

Dudes got balls of steel!!! I wouldn't have done that!

[sotc]

cable and phone i beleive are bundled at hiis feet, looked to me like he was flipped into the service drop.

[MasterBlaster]

We can go on and on, speculating forever.

[rbtree]

Is that what you call the pole to pole secondary lines that break off and go to a few houses? I always though it was just the lines to each house that were called that....but what do I know......

[rbtree]

Oh, i've invited him over.....and he actually is here, but asked me to keep mum as to who he is....I told him we'd welcom him with open.....uhhh


welll....



...arm...



...aments LOL

[Skwerl]

Yup, pole to pole secondary, that's what I was referring to. Bad habit of referring to secondaries (anything past the transformer) as a service drop.

Butch, it's useful being able to identify different types of lines at a glance. I wouldn't necessarily call it 'speculating'.

[MasterBlaster]

Uhhh, no shit, Sherlock.

[Nails]

Impressive. Now would that make him a lineman or a line clearance man? lol. Just a small one there.

[darkstar]

Yeah my right bicep is on a 7 month injury ,still hurts, from straight arm one handing.

[Old Monkey]

Ack! He's here already? He's already one of us and he didn't want to share that video? Where's the fun in that?

[rbtree]

cable and phone i beleive are bundled at hiis feet, looked to me like he was flipped into the service drop.which he was tied in to.....

I liked the chin music....

check out ekka's slo-mo video...he's all bent about the impressive bit of work....and invited comments on it at his youtube page

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8m2o2IDO3AQ

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[NeTree]

Plan your work and work your plan. Resourceful thinking of him to tie into the wires. He figured out all the angles, made sure everything was going to swing away from him and was tied in twice with good footing before making the release cut. Of course it swung him a little but he was expecting that. :thumbup:

I agree with Butch, wrong saw for the job.

Maybe a little nuts, but what tree guy isn't?

Good job. :)

[sotc]

which he was tied in to.....


thats what i meant, flip line, flipped in:)

[rbtree]

you got it, Jack! And I did two......

[MasterBlaster]

I commented, let's see how long he leaves it there.

[Blinky]

Hell the slowmo version makes it obvious he had a plan.

This reminds me of, and the only old school rock guys will remember this, but it used to be controversial to climb using dynamic moves like lunges and swings. You were supposed to climb with static controlled moves. Dynos were considered uncontrolled and poor form.
John Gill put dynamic moves on the map and now they're accepted as good, even essential technique. It's just another tool in the box these days but back then... it was unsafe... especially if you were unroped.

The guy had a plan. He knew where he was going and where that heavy ass saw was going and where all that wood was going... it just all happened at once so it looks chaotic. Some rigging is like that, half an hour tying a piece off and getting it balanced and 5 seconds of terror when you pull the trigger. If ekka is going off about it being unsafe, his slowmo video doesn't support his case... plus it's probably a copyright violation for him to post someone else's video on youtube.

I agree with Roger about stepping on drops, the weatherhead at the service entry is not designed to handle that kind of loading. I've stood on energized drops, but I was treading lightly. The comms cables I've been around wouldn't move even a millimeter if you stood on'em.

[MasterBlaster]

So post that in the comment section. I'm curious to see if peckerwood leaves it up.

[Blinky]

I had edit the hell out of it to make it fit, but it's there.

Looks like yours is already gone. Pulling comments with opposing viewpoints is lame, who does he think he is George Bush?

[No_Bivy]

I woulda called Progress and had the cut the secondary letting it fall on the wires below......or crane.....or bucket

looks like this guys style
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[Blinky]

I remember that one. Why do those wackos always take of their shirts?

[MasterBlaster]

My comments still there, I added another.

[rbtree]

I woulda called Progress and had the cut the secondary letting it fall on the wires below......or crane.....or bucket

I think those were backyard lines, anyhow, there was no possible access for equipment, he said.

[darkstar]

I dont want to ever straight arm a saw again one little tear and it hurts 7 frigging months later.

[High Scale]

Oh come on guys, he is the worlds leading authority on all things Arboriculture and he has the qualifications to prove it.;)

That guy on the lines must be a little loco, good on him.

[Old Monkey]

You know, certifications make the man.

[squisher]

Hell yah, I'm a real a-u-t-h-o-r-i-t-y ever since I became a cert'd arb.:D

[No_Bivy]

I think those were backyard lines, anyhow, there was no possible access for equipment, he said.

they woulda climbed the pole and cut the wire....no bigge

[squisher]

I say job well done, good for him, ballsy move.

[No_Bivy]

dude will die soon.......

[squisher]

Heh don't jinx a dude like that. We all die someday.

Alot of people have raised eyebrows at some of the dead monsters you've laid to rest. It's up to us all personally to decide on a apropriate level of risk.

[No_Bivy]

I aint no bird on a wire though.
I wont put myself at risk over a few wires...Hell I will climb the pole and chop the attachment points before I ride a wire.


there was nothing underneath...unecessary risk to personnel IMO. Next time try black powder......everybody gets to live.:D

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[oldschool]

im not going to die anytime soon sunshine. ive been at it a while. thruth be told that was a rather mellow move;) i

[No_Bivy]

good for ya....you gotta admit it looks really stupid in slow mo. My name aint sunshine BITCH:D

[oldschool]

cant be any cooler than you sound.....or your avatar.....SUNSHINE!:lol:

[No_Bivy]

troll....go back to troll world:lol:

[oldschool]

actually i kinda like the slow mo feature. if only it had some white zombie crankin in the background!
ps...you aught to stay away from that aussie forum.

[No_Bivy]

goodbye Ekka.....

[oldschool]

i was told this was a good site and it appears I was told correctly! Crikey!

[No_Bivy]

:?

[oldschool]

dont be a pussy....post something. you must have a nice photo of flowers youve planted or even a nice shot of your ladyfriend will do.
im so glad we ve met. i feel like we ve known each other forever!lol

[Blinky]

i was told this was a good site.

Who the fuck are you?!!

[oldschool]

Sorry if I come across as odd...

[No_Bivy]

blinky, you headed to fla to see Scotty etal>?

[Gord]

Your work isn't out of anyone's league you hack. Walk around with your chin that high up and someone's gonna kick you in the nuts.

[Paul B]

dont feed the trolls folks.
http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_files_troll_2.jpg

[Wagnaw]

i was told this was a good site.

It is. You ALL are just arguein' like a bunch of Sallies. :roll:

.... and the work of the members in question has been spoken for. Just look around.

[Blinky]

blinky, you headed to fla to see Scotty etal>?

Yep, we leave Wednesday night or Thursday before daybreak. Skwerl may show up!

[No_Bivy]

Yep, we leave Wednesday night or Thursday before daybreak. Skwerl may show up!

I'll be think of yall while I freeze me ass off this weekend....11 on friday night dayum.

[No_Bivy]

dont feed the trolls folks.
http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_files_troll_2.jpg
.

[Mr. Sir]

Blinky, whereabouts will you be?

[Blinky]

It's a good week to go to Florida. Looks like two more good days of work before we go. 40F on Wednesday ias about as cold as I plan to see this week.

We'll miss you. I'll eat some bait fer ya.

[No_Bivy]

somebody hear something:/::lol:

[No_Bivy]

Blinky...you headed down with the Heartwood crew?

[Paul B]

neener neener :P
Seeya bud, go pick a fight with some other folks that give a rat's ass about your opinion. 5 posts in to a forum and you are telling peope to go f themselves? Have another drink and go play in traffic.

[JIML]

I would say climbing the pole with the stihl extendo saw and reaching out would have been safest bet on cutting it. or reaching from the tree.

[No_Bivy]

:cry:

[Blinky]

Yeah... even Morice I guess.

I keep hearing something... sounds like... a wee little pussy that can't handle criticism. It's kinda tedious.

[No_Bivy]

yep.....

you entering?

[No_Bivy]

:P
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[Blinky]

im not going to die anytime soon sunshine. ive been at it a while. thruth be told that was a rather mellow move;) i


cant be any stupider than you sound.....or your avatar.....SUNSHINE!:lol:

Your first two posts... you didn't come looking for a fight? When you walk in a stranger's do you immediately pick a fight with someone and start throwing your weight around? If you don't, then maybe you should recant since for some reason you weren't acting normal... If you do, well, what can I say?

You immediately attacked a respected member here just because the two of you didn't agree. We aren't like that, we're adults, if we have differences we either keep'em to ourselves or we air'em out... like adults. No names, no bullshit fathead statements. Maybe you won't like it here... but your little wire trick actually IS rather mellow. If the lines were hot that would be something but they're just really strong wires when they're dead.

You're a eucman, we get that, a few of us have done some hairy shit here and there too. I don't video my work, I'm not trying to prove anything... been there, done that. I really don't care to read a critique written by someone with apparently more ego than sense.

If you want friends, welcome... humor and humility are highly valued here. If you want to wave your dick around ... go the fuck away, it's annoying.

[Wagnaw]

Dude, you getting all offended is the problem. Leave your ego at the door. It's all constructive criticism here until someone decides that they know everything, and can't take the heat.

The vid was probably not the best introduction though. It's like, "Hey, you don't know me, but look at this crazy shit I did!"

[Blinky]

Actually Roger introduced the video... I'm sitting here wondering how he didn't know what a windbag this kid is.

[Wagnaw]

Since MB isn't here, I'll add this







All this arguing is STUPID! :big-tongue2:

[CurSedVoyce]

Now to answer the question at hand.... I doubt I would have the balls to do what he did. I can see the climber was ready for what was about to happen. However; And I take in account the lack of access here people, I would have probably run my own ropes for the transition and not used the power lines that were supposedly dead. I may have used the phone/cable bundle for footing. For tie off, and transition I would gladly trust my own lines than other installed by an electric company for a home drop. Too flimsy (and too much slack) in my opinion in the connection to the house. I think I would have less swing in my own install with the right tension in the appropriate line also. But that's just me. I trust more in what I rig than what others have with out me supervising the work or having a direct hand in it. And if I rig it and get hurt or die, I only have me to blame ;)
Hope all that made sense. :D

And someone give that man a 200t if he is going to one hand it. I won't tell ;)

[sawinredneck]

holy fuck! are you guys all fucking each other or what. did you read the previous posts? i didnt start it but ill be damned if i walk away. i dont drink so thats out. thanks for the overwhealming hospitality. shit even the nazi rule of ekka at tree world was better than this.

All opinions are welcome here, it's all about learning and sharing what was learned, good or bad.
It would seem you have a few tricks to teach, and maybe a few more to learn. These guys will teach you more than you can imagine, if you can have the humility to accept that knowledge.
I don't think anyone was terribly harsh with any posts before you came in like a bull in a china closet. Just a lot of thoughts and reasons why they didn't do that.
But name calling wont gain you much. If you have a problem with a post, ask the poster why they think that way. But comming in acting in this manner will not get you much respect.

NOW, can we all have a chill pill and try to get to know each other?

[CurSedVoyce]

Here Here !!!!!!:beerchug:

To Andy's post :)

[Skwerl]

Your first two posts... you didn't come looking for a fight? When you walk in a stranger's do you immediately pick a fight with someone and start throwing your weight around? If you don't, then maybe you should recant since for some reason you weren't acting normal... If you do, well, what can I say?

You immediately attacked a respected member here just because the two of you didn't agree. We aren't like that, we're adults, if we have differences we either keep'em to ourselves or we air'em out... like adults. No names, no bullshit fathead statements. Maybe you won't like it here... but your little wire trick actually IS rather mellow. If the lines were hot that would be something but they're just really strong wires when they're dead.

You're a eucman, we get that, a few of us have done some hairy shit here and there too. I don't video my work, I'm not trying to prove anything... been there, done that. I really don't care to read a critique written by someone with apparently more ego than sense.

If you want friends, welcome... humor and humility are highly valued here. If you want to wave your dick around ... go the fuck away, it's annoying.

Ditto what my friend Chip said. This isn't ArboristSite or Tree Buzz. Nobody here has anything to prove. We're here to kick back and enjoy each other's company, not to try to prove ourselves by cutting others down. Ain't no kiddies here who need impressing, you're hanging with the old dogs here. So kick back, have a cold beer and relax. We don't need the aggravation.
:beer:

[Blinky]

Blinky, whereabouts will you be?

Brett,
Windermere, it's kinda near Tampa. Come on! It's gonna be a great party.

NoBiffy,
Yep I'm in. Long as I show good in the footlock I'll be happy. As usual I'm just going for the party. This is my one vacation for the year.

[CurSedVoyce]

And we definitely don't pick on or belittle the newbies :D

[Wagnaw]

show me some of your work so that i may critique it.

On the main page... you know how there are pictures... Keep Clicking on the heading and look through the pictures. You'll see plenty. or look through the climbing forum. It won't take you long to find some.

[squisher]

Damn!

Ya know I was just trying to give the dude some benefit of the doubt.

Piss off pal, go spout off elsewhere. The name calling and freaking out doesn't fly here. Ya got something to prove go off and prove it elsewhere.

Idiot.

Sorry John, don't want it to seem like I was backing this freak out artist. We've all seen the pics of your work for years now, which makes this even funnier.8)

What a joke.:lol:

[No_Bivy]

Brett,
Windermere, it's kinda near Tampa. Come on! It's gonna be a great party.

NoBiffy,
Yep I'm in. Long as I show good in the footlock I'll be happy. As usual I'm just going for the party. This is my one vacation for the year.


have you trained?
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[Skwerl]

cool! Call me when you get down this way, I just spoke with Chip through PM a little while ago and we'll definitely have to meet up while you're here.
:D

[Wagnaw]

I'm still kicking myself for missing the GAA-TCC. ...just bad timing.

[MasterBlaster]

Did I miss something? :drink:

[Blinky]

Hell no, just working. I've been footlocking on a knot whenever I set a free hanging rope. Other than that I've been on gaffs 90% of the time. I'll be at the bottom of the ranks because I suck out loud in AR.

I want to score a 9 or a 10 in the footlock, I'll zero AR and belayed speed, I might do OK in throwline if I'm having a good day, work climb, who knows?

[No_Bivy]

blinky....in the vid, did you notice the "scotty" style where the master whipped his ass with the pipe and bench...sweet.

[Skwerl]

They set you in the top of the tree for the work climb. Worst part is trying to get in the groove instantly and fly from limb to limb after standing around all day.

Fat skwerl in a tree a couple years ago. I think I was 3rd out of 12-14 entries on the work climb.
:/:

[sawinredneck]

Did I miss something? :drink:

Not a thing Boss, not a thing.

[rbtree]

So, I missed the fireworks. Was returning oldschool's first pm, before the shit hit the fan. Then, he sent me two more, saying he was sorry for overreacting. Said he's just not cut out for handling criticism in forums.... apologized-to me..and I hadn't even seen what had gone down.
In real life he's prolly not like that....which he did say to me......

and I'm sure he's very competent. Doing storm work for utilities is high volume, high speed work...and plenty dicey.

[MasterBlaster]

Tell him it's all cool.

[Bodean]

Man, I was just gonna say, I'd do that.

Just watched the vids for the first time.

Haha

[MasterBlaster]

I'm telling ya'll, I have done that! More than once and on bigger lines. That's how I know it's for real. The first time I nearly decapitated myself.

[Bodean]

No decapitations.

[Blinky]

Doing storm stuff lowers the bar for safety standards... it shouldn't but it does because in that situation, time really is money.

In NOLA we frequently worked inside minimum approach on everything from open secondaries to transmission lines... with frikkin New Orleans drivers running around under us. It was all energized, we couldn't get line drops. If the pay wasn't as good as it was I wouldn't have touched half of those ROEs... but it was, so i did... learned some killer tricks from the Tamarack boys. I didn't see anything like sparky did but I had that metallic taste in my mouth a time or two.

I think you have to judge a climber's actions in those situations as he saw things at the time... not with 20/20 hindsight.

[MasterBlaster]

No decapitations.


Hell yea, that's my motto!

[Old Monkey]

No decapitations.

No worries the folks who decapitate themselves don't post here.

[MasterBlaster]

Their posts would be mindless, anyway.

[sotc]

ba-da bing!

[CurSedVoyce]

Their posts would be mindless, anyway.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Now THAT was funny!

[MasterBlaster]

Thank you, I'll be here all week! :drink:


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Now THAT was funny!

[rbtree]

Their posts would be mindless, anyway.
You ARE one witty fella.....:D

[No_Bivy]

Watched the vid a few more times........There is a pole right there with a transformer. I bet the was truck access. NO WAY progress clearance guys would have done it that way. I still think balls have nothing to do with being stupid.........but you get to live.

you guys that pay workers comp.....would you let one of your climbers do that?

[MasterBlaster]

I bet the was truck access.


And that's exactly (the "betting" part) what I mean, nobody really knows what was going up except the people that were there. In the video below I had to jump outta the way of the limb being roped - no other way to do it. A casual observer (or even a "Treeman") woulda thought I was NUTS!

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[rbtree]

Watched the vid a few more times........There is a pole right there with a transformer. I bet the was truck access. NO WAY progress clearance guys would have done it that way. I still think balls have nothing to do with being stupid.........but you get to live.

you guys that pay workers comp.....would you let one of your climbers do that?

It was surrounded by backyards and fences.....

[Mr. Sir]

Brett,
Windermere, it's kinda near Tampa. Come on! It's gonna be a great party...

Cool. That's up near Brian's place. When will you be there?


I'll bring my bible. :lol:

[Blinky]

Cool. That's up near Brian's place. When will you be there?


I'll bring my bible. :lol:

I'm, getting in town sometime Thursday later in the day. The TCC is Saturday but there's an aerial rescue workshop on Friday that's free and all climbers are invited. NATS is doing it so it should be pretty good. You ought to come... and bring that Bible... it been a helluva long time since I've seen one! Rec climbing Sunday I think, we leave Monday AM.

[Mr. Sir]

I was kidding about the bible. I'm not really a religious fanatic, I just play one on the internet. :lol:

So, who else is coming? I might need to wear body armor. :/:

[Blinky]

Don't worry, if Psalms doesn't protect you I'll do my best. I'm usually pretty well armed.

[wiley_p]

Blinky, who is/are NATS?

[woodworkingboy]

Whoa, been off line for a whole day, and didn't even get to say hello to the new old guy before he started pissing people off. Maybe Butch needs to administer an, "Are you chilled out enough", test before new folks enter?
A warning like, "Please leave your stress from other sites at the door", might be helpful too.

Anyway, hope it got sorted out and back to it's all good. It's too friggen cold to fight.

[MasterBlaster]

Chris just overreacted, that's all.

[darkstar]

So all you guys who watched the video over and all , was he undercutting straight arm with a saw that looked to be like a 260pro?
Or was that just swing saw up and cut ,on top ,cuts ?

[Frans]

Damm, I miss all the fun. Hope Old School comes back.

[stig]

So all you guys who watched the video over and all , was he undercutting straight arm with a saw that looked to be like a 260pro?
Or was that just swing saw up and cut ,on top ,cuts ?

Looked to me like he was undercutting. Made my shoulder hurt, just to watch it.
I'll say like everybody else: give that man a t200.

[No_Bivy]

you right old school....nice work.
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[woodworkingboy]

"Big balls", hell, nothing to brag about. There's always someone out there with bigger ones.

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[No_Bivy]

yep......

[MasterBlaster]

That's amazing.

[rbtree]

Blinky, who is/are NATS?

North American Training Solutions....broke off from Arbor"master", linked up with Duane of AM Canuckistan

[rbtree]

i was told this was a good site and it appears I was told correctly! Crikey!



Hah, butch, you'e funny. You DID think it was ekka....hence the "crikey"....you added that didn't ya.....:D

[MasterBlaster]

Yea, I put a ;} in the posts I altered.

Honestly, I don't think Ekkka would ever do battle in a forum setting again.

[Blinky]

I din't know if he was ekka but I had him figured as a TW troll who got wind of the thread at first.

[olyman]

I'm telling ya'll, I have done that! More than once and on bigger lines. That's how I know it's for real. The first time I nearly decapitated myself.

i know its later--but WHAT were you doing to nearly have this happen??

[MasterBlaster]

Working an ice storm at night, climbing ice laden trees laid over HUGE transmission lines feeding the water pumps to the city. You'd barely make a cut and then SNAP!

Tons of fun.

[olyman]

Working an ice storm at night, climbing ice laden trees laid over HUGE transmission lines feeding the water pumps to the city. You'd barely make a cut and then SNAP!

Tons of fun.

eek!!! youve done a few crazys also--scary--ice sucks!!!!!!!!

[topcon]

Having a transformer on a pole does not equal road access. At least in tx, va, sc, nc, va, fl, al, ms, ga, tn, la... On storms we have worked restoring power we have went as far as having to carry poles and hand dig holes then climb to attach hw to attach wire. All I know for sure is back yard dist lines suk azz. Ice storms are gift that keeps giving. for every span we get up another branch falls and we play catch up. Nimbys and their trees are job security.

[rbtree]

Talked with Chris on the phone briefly today. He'w working in Buffalo...was so danged cold, snowy and windy they quite early today. Said he danged near got frostbite yesterday.

He was living near me for a few months earlier this year. Worked for Asplundh. Working for Davey right now, I think.

A friend of his came on TW and is going after the "boss" there and another fella.....interesting to see if the "boss" chimes in.

[rbtree]

Hey, Topcon..... a little bird told me you are ex CG.....cool. Not me, but my bro served as well, 50 odd years ago! dang, we's gittin old....

There's back yard transformers out this way here and there as well.

[woodworkingboy]

[QUOTE=rbtree;301192]Talked with Chris on the phone briefly today.

Who's Chris?

[MasterBlaster]

Chris is oldschool, (http://www.gypoclimber.com/member.php?u=1450) pay attention now.

[woodworkingboy]

Yes yes, I really knew that, was just wondering why we were hearing updates about newbie Chris, if he didn't care to hang with us himself? I must be missing something.....

[MasterBlaster]

I know I am. ;)

[rbtree]

OKOK Remember I told ya'lls he's bummed it went down the way it did. He prolly feels stupid and is embarrassed to show his face. Give him time.

[Jamin Mayer]

damn that looked DUMB as hell!!!! Tied into the secondary wire?

Not only tying into a spun secondary, but touching it and putting his neck on it. Around here squirrels chew the weather coating off of those. Touching that will put 220v right through someone.

I don't know if this is a true statistic, but I have "heard" that spun secondaries kill more guys than the primary wires. Is that a valid statement?

WTFrog:what:

[Skwerl]

No, touching a live 220v will kill someone. That's obviously (to me) something a climber would only attempt if he was 100% absolutely certain that there was no juice in the line. And since he was working emergency storm cleanup trying to get power restored, I think he was 100% certain the line was not energized.

[No_Bivy]

I would worry bout someones generator putting power back into the system though......but Im a retard for shat like that

[Jamin Mayer]

We would hope so, wouldn't we...

But, I've done line clearance. And the utility companies don't like to shut off service. At least out here they don't.

[OTGBOSTON]

As well you should be John.

[No_Bivy]

there are so many generators round here I would be skeered of grabbing any wire.......

[OTGBOSTON]

Lots of people don't even realize that is a possibility.

[Skwerl]

Do they sell generators that don't make any noise these days? In a storm aftermath, the noise from generators is very easy to identify if there's one running within a block of you. Yes, there's always a possibility. But there's also a thing called 'calculated risk'. Knowing and fully understanding the risks is a whole lot different than just blindly obeying blanket rules of 'don't ever touch it', especially if you are tasked with fixing it.

[Thor's Hammer]

Watched the vids, I've done that a few times. I've even used a 33000v cable as a zipline to get to the next tree. Any time we get a planned outage, we have earth jumpers put on the lines either end of our worksite. To many backfeed accidents from generators in the past.

[Old Monkey]

What do the earth jumpers look like Ed. Is it something you throw over the line or something a lineman from the power company does?


I am still saying it was the saw use that bothered me in that video.

[Skwerl]

Jumpers would look like a heavy duty jumper cable for your car battery, except you clip it to the line and then clip the other end to a grounding rod that you hammer into the ground. My first bucket truck had a grounding cable on a spool on the back of the truck for grounding the truck to the ground wire on the pole.

You can see the grounding cable spool in this picture.

[No_Bivy]

Do they sell generators that don't make any noise these days? In a storm aftermath, the noise from generators is very easy to identify if there's one running within a block of you. Yes, there's always a possibility. But there's also a thing called 'calculated risk'. Knowing and fully understanding the risks is a whole lot different than just blindly obeying blanket rules of 'don't ever touch it', especially if you are tasked with fixing it.

round here there are some that are pretty quiet......I dont fix wires......so therefore I dont calculate that risk...

[CurSedVoyce]

I still say let me set my own ropes and NP ;)
Ya'll can walk on power cables....

[Thor's Hammer]

Jumpers would look like a heavy duty jumper cable for your car battery, except you clip it to the line and then clip the other end to a grounding rod that you hammer into the ground. My first bucket truck had a grounding cable on a spool on the back of the truck for grounding the truck to the ground wire on the pole.

You can see the grounding cable spool in this picture.

Yup, pretty much the same here. Legislation for us states that we have to have earth's either side of where we're working, and if you cant see the earths, you can request another secondary earth is put in next to where your working.

[oldschool]

Well im busted there. The grounds weren't installlwd but I had an army of guys who literally went to every house on the line. They wwere in grids so they were super easy to follow.
I know yur gonna say it's no excuse but they were short line crews and grounds. It happens. I was certain my guys covered every house in search of generators. I was more worried about the guns the home owwners wwere wavin round

[MasterBlaster]

It sounds like you did everything you could do insure safety.

[oldschool]

It sounds like you did everything you could do insure safety.
I work with my brother and the others are very close friends. They are my second family. I couldn't bear the guilt if something happened to one of them. I'd never ask them to do anything they felt uncomfortable with

[MasterBlaster]

I hear that. http://www.thecomputermechanics.com/forums/images/smilies/124.gif

[Old Monkey]

Sounds like you were working in a fun part of town.

[oldschool]

i think it was a place called sunnyside. two pitbulls to every yard. they had been without juiuce for three weeks so when we got there they were alrea dy pissed off. the temp was welll over 100,there was no power, and these people werent exactly the working type.
im not advocating the dealing of drugs...but the vast majority of these people will never have anything else. i can understand why things take place in the big cities.

[Jonseredbred]

So we got another NY guy here??

[oldschool]

So we got another NY guy here??
yep!
another?

[MasterBlaster]

You should complete your profile, Chris.

[oldschool]

You should complete your profile, Chris.

ill finish it up after dinner.

[MasterBlaster]

It'll probably take 30 seconds to do.

[Thor's Hammer]

For the record Chris, I'm in the UK, and I think the rules are much stricter here.

[Jonseredbred]

yep!
another?

I am down near Rochester, NY

[rbtree]

ill finish it up after dinner.


interesting avatar....


the old man gets no thanks for offering ya one that wuz right up yer alley?! :P

[Blinky]

interesting avatar....


the old man gets no thanks for offering ya one that wuz right up yer alley?! :P

Kids these days... never listen to their elders.

Edit: you would only tie into 220v on a service drop by contacting both phase wires. I've heard of 277v street lighting which looks like a skinny twisted service drop and is single phase. I can personally attest that it really really hurts to get kicked with 277v. It's current and the ground path that will kill you though. Voltage=Pressure / Current=Flow

[OTGBOSTON]

So we got another NY guy here??

yankees suck!:/:

[oldschool]

Kids these days... never listen to their elders.

Edit: you would only tie into 220v on a service drop by contacting both phase wires. I've heard of 277v street lighting which looks like a skinny twisted service drop and is single phase. I can personally attest that it really really hurts to get kicked with 277v. It's current and the ground path that will kill you though. Voltage=Pressure / Current=Flow

Voltage*amps( current)= watts( power). Don't let the lower voltage number throw ya. Current creates heat. Heat is an IR2( current*reistance[ ohms]squared) loss. Simply put it's wasted power. They transmit the power at high voltages and LOW amps. They may have a small voltage drops here and there but the current is constant. Then substations step it down further and the juice is distributed to the transformers where it's stepped down again to a usable voltage. 240/120 ( single phase)home. 480/277 ( three phase/single phase)usually light commercial. Most commercial lighting is 277 and it hurts. I was an electrician for a while and got bit putting in drop lights running off277

[oldschool]

Yes blinky. Only if you contact both hot phase will u get the 220 potential

[Höllenreich]

I just have to ask. Why all the climbing when you could of just set lines from the ground. Then cut the whole tree in one shot. Weight of the trunk would of pulled the tip out of the wires. I was always told ballzie was going as big as you can go, any ballerina can climb and cut small pieces. :evil:

Just my 2 cents.

I'm just kiddin by the way.:P

[Skwerl]

And a most valid point! :lol:

[oldschool]

I just have to ask. Why all the climbing when you could of just set lines from the ground. Then cut the whole tree in one shot. Weight of the trunk would of pulled the tip out of the wires. I was always told ballzie was going as big as you can go, any ballerina can climb and cut small pieces. :evil:

Just my 2 cents.

I'm just kiddin by the way.:P
If you watch the video again you'll notice that it was already notched.A single nub was hooked around the service.
For every tree there is at least a thousand ways to take it down........and at least a thousand tree guys ready to tell ya how they would take it down.

If I had my way I'd have used a helicopter or a bucket of trained termites.{but I didnt have either}

[woodworkingboy]

I get that message, about the different ways to do things.

I do tree work as an independent, and also as a member of a crew when doing crane aided removals, tying off the cable and working at the stump. When doing the crane work, the crane operator is the boss. My own experience has grown to the point where on occasion, I'd prefer to do certain things a different way now. He's a super cool and smart guy, and we can discuss things a bit, or I'll bend his ear at lunch, but it's his call, and doing something stupid is not in his playbook....'cept. once :O Still, in some deep part of my brain, something is sometimes saying, damn!

Different ways to do things, for sure as a rule, I think. Maybe not always when no room for error, with what you have at hand, and folks have their preferences.

Wonder if those trained termites would pass import inspection here?

[sawinredneck]

If you were really good, Chris, you could have just had the thugs with guns shoot off the spar that was hooked!