Personal Trainer

[MasterBlaster]

I have a friend who is using a personal trainer. The price seems kinda steep - $60 a visit. I figured they would use this trainer for a few weeks to learn what to do, but it seems they are gonna use them forever. Personally, I feel this "trainer" is milking my friend for as much money as they can get. Plus, I can't understand why my friend thinks they STILL need him. They plead "He motivates me," but all I can see is $60 disappearing every time this trainer "motivates" my friend.

My friend is being ripped off and doesn't know it.

What ya'll think?

[Blinky]

I didn't vote, never used one. A lot of fitness trainers sell themselves as more than they... kinda like a lot of treeguys now that I think about it. If you want to get in condition for something specific, a trainer should be able to help select the best regimen and then coach you when you need it.
But some act like shrinks and want you to see them every week or something... that seems a bit over the top to me.

Just do lots of pullups, pushups and situps... and keep the ibuprofen handy.

[Skwerl]

It's a service is all. Many services we pay for are for things we could easily do ourselves. If a person has the discretionary income to pay somebody to wipe his butt, good for him!

[woodworkingboy]

Probably that's the only way that a lot of folks can stay in shape, having someone there in person to motivate them. A lot of exercise equipment gets sold and used once or twice.

[sotc]

Probably that's the only way that a lot of folks can stay in shape, having someone there in person to motivate them. A lot of exercise equipment gets sold and used once or twice.

my thoughts exactly

[MasterBlaster]

My dead friends are my motivation.. plus my doc.

[No_Bivy]

self induced Epics motivate me.....ibuseprofen next

[Skwerl]

My dead friends are my motivation...
I can say the same thing about quitting drinking. 8)

[MasterBlaster]

And it don't cost a penny.

[Blinky]

It's a service is all. Many services we pay for are for things we could easily do ourselves. If a person has the discretionary income to pay somebody to wipe his butt, good for him!

A good point. I don't work on my saws but I could if I wanted to take the time and learn how. I'd rather pay the guy down the street who makes his living at it.

I'm personal epic motivated too... that and I need a girlfriend in the house before I let myself get fat.

[MasterBlaster]

I can't believe ya'll. So, 3 x 60 = $180 a WEEK? That's not wack? And don't forget the club membership. Ya'll must have more money than me...

[Skwerl]

Not us, but the guy paying for the trainer obviously does. ;)

[PCTREE]

A female friend of mine years ago paid a personal trainer 3X week for 3 years so she could get "ripped" after said 3 she needed 2 replacement Knees as she had destroyed them lifting Too much:? After 3 years of intense exercise and brutal dieting she then couldnt hardly walk so is now obese and severly depressed. I think she should either shoot or sue the freakin "personal trainer" but she says he was her friend, just one that charges you for every minute and totally screws up your body??????

[MasterBlaster]

Well, I hope it doesn't get anything like that.

[Underwor]

I go to a fitness center every morning, largely due to the fact that I am not self motivated enough to exercise on my own. The owner is a pretty knowledgeable person, was a lab tech and physical therapist in a hospital. I can get advice when I need it, but it is covered in the $30/month fee (thanks for senior discounts).

As to a trainer charging, that is what we do in a plant health care program. We charge to help manage the health of your trees and I would hope that most of us are at least $60/hr.
Didn't vote either. I do not know what kind of service is being provided, so do not know if he is awesome or a rip off.

[Che]

When I started going to a PT (physical therapist)....it was really nice. They'd take care of me, often sit there and watch me go through my excercises, say nice things about my musculature and make me feel all fuzzy and warm (as well as getting me on the road to recovery.)

I really enjoyed it and it boosted my moral as much as anything, which anyone who's been out of shape or injured knows about.

BUT..I did get to a point where I realized that I was essentially being pampered at a price I couldn't justifiy. I asked if I could do the same thing at home and they were completely understanding and supportive. They gave me directions, told me to call or stop by with ANY questions....which I did.

I can't say I was anywhere near as dedicated on my own as I was with all that support, but .....it was time.

Maybe your friend is getting more than just exercise out of the deal.

[cory]

Just do lots of pullups, pushups and situps... and keep the ibuprofen handy.

That totally says it all. :lol:

[MasterBlaster]

Maybe your friend is getting more than just exercise out of the deal.


:/:

[Paul B]

I could understand seeing a trainer to get a routine established but regular use after the initial phase seems like fleecing to me. As for motivation, I cant comment, I have none.

:D

[top hopper]

I can see using a PT long term just for motivation, if I could afford it.
Better option would be to find a friend who wants to work out as well, and motivate each other.

[sawinredneck]

To add to underwor's post, a lot of people can't work alone anymore. So the trainer is a "workout partner" as well as a trainer. They also look at the costs and that motivates them as well. "I am paying this much money, I'd better get off my butt and go!"
Then, how many hours are they working with them for that $60 a trip? I had a buddy that went to school for that, lots of training, lots of schooling, lots of money wrapped up in that feild.

I tried years ago to get a trainer so I could strengthen my back. I couldn't get one that would work with me and my degenerative disc. They didn't want the liability.

[woodworkingboy]

If you like working out at the park, for the ladies, a personal trainer can also serve as a body guard. It makes for more reasonable expense.

[Frans]

Che: often sit there and watch me go through my excercises, say nice things about my musculature and make me feel all fuzzy and warm


:lol:
Che, most gyms are meat markets, you could get the same thing without paying for it just by having guys check you out!

Didn't vote, as I have never paid a trainer, but I do have a massage lady that I go to sometimes. She costs 75 bucks.

[MasterBlaster]

"Sometimes" is the key word there.

[Frans]

"Sometimes" is the key word there.

:thumbup: 'bout once every 6 or 9 months maybe even less than that.

[Che]

Che, most gyms are meat markets, you could get the same thing without paying for it just by having guys check you out!

That is funny, Frans! I meant like muscles here and there from unrolling hay bales and such....not BUFF 'oh, baby' kind of I'm working out and getting hot and sweaty and 'ain't I something' kind of musculature. Not quite the same, I'm afraid.

Just a few days ago, I was telling my daughter I used to visit a gym about 4 nights a week after work. I wore a backless leotard over footless tights, and did aerobics to fast pumping rock music with a bunch of other women. Lean and mean, or so I thought. I'm trying to remember if I wore a cool headband or not.

I quit talking when she had that 'OMG I'm going to throw up look'. :O

Ha!! :P

[Blinky]

[...]

Just a few days ago, I was telling my daughter I used to visit a gym about 4 nights a week after work. I wore a backless leotard over footless tights, and did aerobics to fast pumping rock music with a bunch of other women. Lean and mean, or so I thought. I'm trying to remember if I wore a cool headband or not.

I remember chicks like you. Lemme guess, usually by yourself, in muted colors like black, white, grey, maroon, maybe a splash of red, perfectly but not obviously coordinated? I mean, as opposed to the very obviously coordinated electric blue/fuchsia with leg warmers crowd. They wore the headbands, the cool headed types didn't need to.

The aerobic classes were in the same room as the air-dynes... I rode my bike about 12 miles to get to the gym and then in the name of warming up, I'd ride the damn Air-dyne for 30 or so more minutes just watching women move... discretely of course.


I quit talking when she had that 'OMG I'm going to throw up look'. :O

I get that a lot lately no matter what I'm talking about.

[Che]

I remember chicks like you. Lemme guess, usually by yourself, in muted colors like black, white, grey, maroon, maybe a splash of red, perfectly but not obviously coordinated?

Wow. I'm impressed. I didn't know I was a 'type', though.....maybe if there'd been the internet back then, I'd of known. BTW....always kept to myself...black cotton, both pieces....or sometimes the top thing and loose lack cotton running shorts.

Yeah, I saw you guys too.....the excercise room was in the center and a track running around it. Lots of rubbernecking going on. ;)

We did get a few males in, but they never lasted. It was harder than it looked.

[squisher]

Interesting thread.

My wife manages the personal training department at a all womans gym. The sales have grown exponentially since she has taken over, very proud of her. This year, after 2 years of running the department sales are up over 1000%!!!

$60/hr is average from what I know of the industry. It's in high demand and growing like wildfire. My wife and her team of trainers help people by improving their physical condition and empowering them. Everyone is quite highly trained and very professional. My wife is very knowledgeable on diet, exercise, anatomy, injuries, ailments. You name it.

I beleive there's value there from watching and knowing about it from her side of things. My wife does/can train as much as she wants, she's in extremely high demand to the point where she doesn't take any new clients herself unless it's a special case. She also has a 24 session minimum otherwise she won't even consider working with someone herself. Currently she has a team of five full time and a couple part time trainers that is rapidly expanding.

Obviously I think personal training kicks ass, but I don't go to a gym myself.8)

[Burnham]

Squish, what I think you mean is, YOUR personal trainer kicks ass. :D

And I bet she does, too. ;)

[woodworkingboy]

Squish probably stays out of shape for that reason . Oh that hurts!...call me lard bucket :lol:

[Jonseredbred]

Its in the eye of the beholder.

[Blinky]

[...]

We did get a few males in, but they never lasted. It was harder than it looked.

I tried actually doing an aerobics class twice. The first one made me sore but it wasn't so bad... the second one was an ab workout and it almost killed me. Never again.

[MasterBlaster]

Cardio is most important. Don't let the fate of Issac Hayes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issac_Hayes) deter you!

[scottwojo]

I tried years ago to get a trainer so I could strengthen my back. I couldn't get one that would work with me and my degenerative disc. They didn't want the liability.

You want to do endurance training. Lower back with weights. I do 2 sets of 25 reps then 100 reps for the third rep. Then I do ab Crunches on the machine 25, 25, then 100.You want a weight that is not your maximum. My Max on the lower back is 168, so I would use 146 or so. By the time your done your lower back muscles are throbbing. Endurance is more important than strength for us. And you would do this type of training everyday. Lower trunk endurance is awesome.


Hey, I got that too. A bulging disc. Need pain blocks for it. I have been working out since Dec 6. At the YMCA they are having a Biggest Loser contest. $50.00 a month which includes several team motivational meetings, and more importantly, 1 hour a week with a personal trainer one on one.

Like I have a chance, I might be 15 pounds over weight and the more I work out the more I will likely gain. But usually they charge $150 a month for personal training. Sweet deal, I get 3 months of Personal training for $150. That's $300 savings.

What gets me is stress. When overwhelmed I do not feel like working out. I started out going 7 days a week, now I am at every other day.

Since Dec 6 have lost 15 pounds or so.

Scott.

[scottwojo]

Oh and the personal trainer thing should only be a temporary thing. Learn and then go on your own.

[fishhuntcutwood]

It all depends. Alot of professional body builders have trainers! It's a different thing here, I'd reckon and maybe your friend isn't as familiar with the gym or workouts as other people, or they just lack the confidence to go out on their own.

For professional BBer's it's about having a dude watch your progress, make objective observations on lagging body parts, lend their experience on building and bringing up lagging parts...say a guy has lagging calves, which is very common. Well, they're lagging for a reason. A trainer can come in and make changes in diet, form, frequency, etc.

I say add a voting option- "Meh, it's up to them as long as they can afford it."

[Blinky]

Ed Viesturs was the first American to summit all 14 of the world's 8000 meter peaks. He's a professional climber and uses a trainer regularly. I think he said the guy not only focused his workouts on mountain climbing movements but drove him harder than he would drive himself... and when you talk about Ed Viesturs, that's really saying something.

The guy was sponsored and everything but still, he had no other source of income and it lightened his wallet every time he worked out with the guy.

So that's the flip side... for some people, it's worth it.

[MasterBlaster]

You want to do endurance training. Lower back with weights. I do 2 sets of 25 reps then 100 reps for the third rep. Then I do ab Crunches on the machine 25, 25, then 100.You want a weight that is not your maximum. My Max on the lower back is 168, so I would use 146 or so. By the time your done your lower back muscles are throbbing. Endurance is more important than strength for us. And you would do this type of training everyday. Lower trunk endurance is awesome.


Hey, I got that too. A bulging disc. Need pain blocks for it. I have been working out since Dec 6. At the YMCA they are having a Biggest Loser contest. $50.00 a month which includes several team motivational meetings, and more importantly, 1 hour a week with a personal trainer one on one.

Like I have a chance, I might be 15 pounds over weight and the more I work out the more I will likely gain. But usually they charge $150 a month for personal training. Sweet deal, I get 3 months of Personal training for $150. That's $300 savings.

What gets me is stress. When overwhelmed I do not feel like working out. I started out going 7 days a week, now I am at every other day.

Since Dec 6 have lost 15 pounds or so.

Scott.



You want a strong back? Do sit-ups.

[fishhuntcutwood]

Ed Viesturs was the first American to summit all 14 of the world's 8000 meter peaks....

.....without supplemental oxygen!

[squisher]

Oh and the personal trainer thing should only be a temporary thing. Learn and then go on your own.

That opinion is based on??? Anyone who is looking for performance out of their body, bodybuilders(like Jeff mentioned) athletes of all types use trainers. If you're looking for the ultimate in benefit and results use a trainer.

Here's an example.

Cutting trees isn't rocket science, so shouldn't a homeowner just go to the library for a couple of books, or do a quick google and then just get 'r done themselves?

Think of ailments/conditions of the body or a desire for a higher level of performance as being akin to more and more difficult problems with a tree. Time to call in the professionals.

[MasterBlaster]

That opinion is based on???

The average, normal person that wants to lose pounds but doesn't know how to do it - NOT a BB or an athlete. I agree with Scott! Let them teach you, but don't linger forever under their $60 an hour wing.

[squisher]

It is for the rich, just like fine treework vs nescessary removals.

The fat middle class person is the nescessary removal = pay for a few sessions and look after yourself

The fat rich person is the fine pruning pruning/long term tree care = client for life.

:lol:

[squisher]

Oh and the personal trainer thing should only be a temporary thing. Learn and then go on your own.


That opinion is based on???.


The average, normal person that wants to lose pounds but doesn't know how to do it - NOT a BB or an athlete. I agree with Scott! Let them teach you, but don't linger forever under their $60 an hour wing.

And if that opinion was based on the average, normal person. Then that should've been specified. I dislike blanket statements, that is why I was questioning it.8)

[scottwojo]

And if that opinion was based on the average, normal person. Then that should've been specified. I dislike blanket statements, that is why I was questioning it.8)


Thought we were all normal average people and the thread was begun with that intent.

Yeah, if you are a competing athlete at higher levels you should have a coach or a trainer.

But if you are a schmuck softballer who plays after work on weekends, you do not need a coach or trainer. If you did want to become better at soft ball you would maybe take on a temporary coaching or training session. You wouldn't keep a trainer forever unless you were mental.

[squisher]

That's ridiculous man. Lots of non pro athletes have trainers steady forever, and from the fact that they're usually highly successful rich people I wouldn't nescessarily class them as mental.

If you were having trouble paying your mortgage or putting food on the table then yes having a personal trainer would be mental. If you're raking in 100+/year and like working with a trainer, go for it. The benefits are countless.

I can agree to disagree with you.

[Blinky]

Please tell me tree men don't play softball.

[squisher]

I sure as hell don't!:D

But I do drink beer!!!:lol:

[scottwojo]

That's ridiculous man. Lots of non pro athletes have trainers steady forever, and from the fact that they're usually highly successful rich people I wouldn't nescessarily class them as mental.

and normal?

[Canuck]

Can't see how its possibly a ripoff. I voted for awesome trainer. If they are good enough to have you friend wanting to train with them 3 times a week then they must be awesome.

I don't get when people think its so weird or wrong when some one else does something that they wouldn't do. Get over it, if somebody wants to spend there hard earned money on something that they feel is worth it and they enjoy then more power to them. I like to spend money building my wine collection. I'm sure that a lot of people on this site would think thats a waste of money. Doesn't mean theres anything wrong with it just different strokes for different folks.

[Mr. Sir]

I did the personal trainer thing several years ago. Spent about $5K in about as many months :/: Had good results, but not good enough to justify continuing. I learned what I needed and now just do it on my own. I don't regret spending the money, it was worth it to me at the time to get what I wanted. It's like paying to learn a new skill, you have to decide if it's worth it to you.

(I keep trying to build a wine collection, but someone keeps drinking it. :what: )

[SteveBullman]

im actually taking on a personal trainer but she is hot

[High Scale]

im actually taking on a personal trainer but she is hot

Ha,ha,ha, I might have known.:)

[Canuck]

(I keep trying to build a wine collection, but someone keeps drinking it. :what: )


And why do you think its taking so long for mine to get any bigger. I've been trying to always buy 2 bottles for every 1 that I plan on drinking right away. Only problem is a regularly end up drinking 2 bottles.

[Mr. Sir]

Heck, I started buying by the case, and then my wife acquired a taste for it. :cry:

[Ryan]

I voted ripoff. Your friend needs to find a physical activity that he wants to do, not one that he needs the prospect of money spent as leverage for motivation.

[MasterBlaster]

My point entirely. Sometimes it takes a hella lot of gumption for me to get my ass on my treadmill, but I always do it - and keep the $60 an hour in my pocket.

[Skwerl]

Butch, just send me $10 per hour and I'll post encouraging messages on the forum. :lol:

[squisher]

Part of that would lead back to Jeff's post. Most people have a skewed awareness of their own body. A personal trainer beyond motivation provides countless other benefits, such as but not restricted to a professional objective opinion about your strengths and weaknesses. And then combines that with the knowledge of how to best address those weaknesses. My point being there could be better ways to acheive the goals that you're looking for.

Getting up and doing it is only one part of the equation.

Certainly some personal trainers out there are a rip-off. Again not unsimilar to tree services. While some are hacks, other's are trained/experienced professionals that can provide results. 8)

[Paul B]

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[squisher]

LMAO!!!:lol:

[Paul B]

What, you never seen Chris Farley before Squishy? :P
He lives in a van, down by the river!
LOL

[Blinky]

I miss him.

[Paul B]

me too, I liked his performance but like his idol John Belushi he went out in a blaze of drugs etc. I am sure there will be another incarnation someday soon.

Kind of like the richard pryor, chris tucker, chris rock thing. Always seems to be some black (yes, not all black people are from africa or america, try calling a black person african-american when they are canadian or british) dude comic making fun of the N word and other black people. :)

[hmm]

i say that a trainer should be a temp thing also.

for me it would be for a certain event that i have planned. the training would show me where i am lacking in my form as i ride and how to better my performance and reduces the effort. so far all i have gotten as far as a trainer is a buddy to ride with that had done that mileage.

it would be nice, but they are at times costly.

[squisher]

What, you never seen Chris Farley before Squishy? :P
He lives in a van, down by the river!
LOL

Dude I lived in a van down by the river!:lol:

[MasterBlaster]

i say that a trainer should be a temp thing also.

That's all I'm saying. How long does it take to learn how to exercise? :what:

[Jonseredbred]

I would need constant motivation to keep a work out routine.

[MasterBlaster]

http://loispaul.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/31/grim_reaper.jpg

[Jonseredbred]

Yah, I know. If I dont lose 75 lbs he will be coming sooner than later.

[MasterBlaster]

I'm down 15 lbs. I wanna get off this VA medication shit.

[Jonseredbred]

What diet plans have worked for you?

[MasterBlaster]

Pay attention, (http://www.gypoclimber.com/showthread.php?t=11320) now.

[scottwojo]

I am getting a personal trainer for 3 months. I will let you know what happens.

Here is my diet for the last month since Dec 6th. I am down 13 pounds. Started at 222 pounds. will shoot for extremely lean and muscled 165. (at the end of the 3 months) I am 5'6" and I have not been that light since I was 15, so I have many doubts.

0atmeal
protein muscle builder crap.
Boiled spinach.
Beets Raw. Make you piss red, funny.
Steak
brown Rice
chicken breast. (boneless skinless)
salads
power bars
Fusion v-8 juice
Sardines.
Shrimp
Whole grain Pasta.

You know how you go nuts without coffee? I do...but with this diet, I rarely drink it or crave it. Serious energy from the vitamins in the spinach.

Power bars are a rarity maybe once every two weeks. as are the Sardines, steaks, shrimps, and fusion V-8.

The Oatmeal is the key. You will not be hungry at lunch when you eat a large bowl in the morning. And if you eat a salad at lunch you will be stuffed. Also, it slows you digestion down, so any spinach will get digested up really well.

And if you do short intense burst work outs you will not crave sweets. And you will burn fat the entire time you are not working out, rather than only when you are working out.

Scott.

[MasterBlaster]

Ya'll make mountains outta molehills. No wonder trainers get away with what they do.

[Paul B]

:D
http://dpawsey.tripod.com/scarymofo.jpg

[MasterBlaster]

It's plain to see, he's overtrained his balls.

[CurSedVoyce]

It's plain to see, he's overtrained his balls.
Would that be making meat balls from marbles??:/:

[scottwojo]

Should tell you that I have not had a personal training session as of yet. And that the only reason I am going to have one is because it will be included in the $50/ month thing that I am doing.

Scott.

[Paul B]

It's plain to see, he's overtrained his balls.

LOL!!!! seriously!

[squisher]

Ya'll make mountains outta molehills. No wonder trainers get away with what they do.

Get away with what? No one is forced to hire a trainer.

Personal trainers are about alot more than exercise. A personal trainer should be highly trained in exercise, diet, anatomy, injuries, diseases, psychology. My wife and her team of trainers are highly recognized now locally and alot of referrals come from doctors and specialists.

My wife has countless e-mails, phone calls, and conversations with women who beleive that she has made a profound difference in their life.

To each their own. I would never use a trainer myself, I'm a surly bastard and prefer to workout in silence or with tunes, but I do see the benefit for others.

[vharrison]

Okay, I am fessing up, I am the friend who is working with a trainer. No, I don’t make 100 thousand a year but I have budgeted the money to work with Peter, my trainer. I had just turned 50 and ran into a friend of my daughters that had put on some weight after high school. Well, the day I ran into her, she had been working with Peter for a couple of months and looked amazing. She inspired me, I thought to myself, I may have to be 50, but I do not have to be 50 and fat.
A couple of years ago I joined the gym and quickly gave my membership to one of my daughters because I had no clue what to do in there. Peter has designed a program that is working for me. I started in September and have lost 19.5 lbs, a total of 20.25 inches (all over) and 10% of my body fat. He works my butt off. John has had people tell him we work harder than anyone in the gym.
Every couple of weeks, he switches up the program. Yesterday, we started focusing on abs and legs. Oh my gosh, it was a tough work out. So, I am going to stick with him for a little longer, until I reach a point of a maintainable weight. I am not even sure what weight that is yet. I asked him what someone my height should weigh and he said it is not about weight, it is about body fat. I still have body fat, and am working to get rid of it.

[squisher]

Good for you! It's about investing in yourself, not wasting money. When it all boils down, our day to day health/fitness is the biggest standard of living factor there is.8)

[treetx]

If it gets results, it is worth it.

There is alot more to working out these daze than just resistance or aerobic. Especially if you are in that 50 range. I am sure there is lots of stretching and conditioning stuff involved. Lots of balance and core exercises.

I would never use a personal trainer but I had good role models. My dad was a fitness freak from age 25 to 50. It has paid off as now he is 55 and fitter than most 30yr olds.

Pops taught me some basics for weight lifting.
- If you aren't going to do 3 sets, don't bother.
-never stop on rep 13. If you can do 13, you can do 14. If you can do 14, you should probably increase the weight.
-cardio is cute and important, but for staying trim, nothing burns calories like damaged, rebuilding muscle.
-eat!

[vharrison]

-eat!

I have totally changed the way I eat. I eat something about every 3-4 hours. I am even eating whole grain bread...lol.

[pantheraba]

That's all I'm saying. How long does it take to learn how to exercise? :what:

Some people never learn...or they just push weight around without knowing what it is they are really trying to accomplish. Or they think they know what they are doing and just keep doing it. I see a lot of hulked up strong dudes at my gym that look fit...they are definitely strong but fit is something else.

I've always been active and exercised to be strong and fit enough to do the activities I enjoy...even so, I usually picked up injuries along the way that, looking back, probably could have been avoided with better knowledge of how to train properly.

These folks in the House that are working to progress in their lives in more areas than just strength seem to me to be realizing that there are folks out there (good trainers) that that can help them. Good trainers have devoted their time and energy to learning how to help people maximize their physical bodies (strength, stamina, flexibility, energy levels, etc.) so they can enjoy the world they live in...sports, kids, grandkids, work, play.....

The greatest advancement I made in my training/fitness regimen was about 10 years ago when I worked with a personal trainer for several months...he got me working on free weights with proper technique, good supplements, etc. I am still learning how to be more efficient in the training I do...I still work often with a personal trainer.

[MasterBlaster]

but for staying trim, nothing burns calories like damaged, rebuilding muscle. -eat!


Do you have any documentation to that effect? I'd love to study it.

[treetx]

Butch, it is basically an anaerobic vs aerobic question.

http://www.bestfatlossworkout.com/aerobic_versus_anaerobic.html

[MasterBlaster]

I know all that basic stuff. WTH is Coach Eddie Lomax gonna tell me? What makes him an expert?

[Che]

Good for you, Gigi! I noticed mid-40s that I couldn't diet like I used to at all. When I was younger, if I wanted to lose weight, I just knocked down to about 800-1000 calories til it was gone and then got on with it. Of course, I had a different lifestyle too. If I did that now, I'd most likely pass right out. I still count calories...but go to 1400-1600 instead with small meals every 2.5-3 hours or so. Good luck! Proud of you!!

[vharrison]

Thanks Che!

[MasterBlaster]

I wanna see a bikini pic! :rockon:

[treetx]

I know all that basic stuff. WTH is Coach Eddie Lomax gonna tell me? What makes him an expert?

Haven't a clue what Lomax can tell ya. Can't say I dig that site myself. Just the 1st thing that popped up when comparing anaerobic vs aerobic on the google.

But yes, anaerobic burns more. ;)

[woodworkingboy]

I wanna see a bikini pic! :rockon:

I bet she's hot :)

[Mr. Sir]

Do you have any documentation to that effect? I'd love to study it.

Check out Body For Life (http://bodyforlife.com/)

[hmm]

YOU GO GIRL's

i will agree with you that with age it is more difficult to stay in shape. i was riding from 80-100 miles a week and that helped.

For me a trainer would better show me how to maintain that work effort.

The smaller meals, the more fruit and veggies is great

keep it up.

[scottwojo]

Guys this is what I started in the second month of training. Check this out and then look at all the nuts jogging on the treadmills at the gym. Wasting time and energy.


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[OTGBOSTON]

me too, I liked his performance but like his idol John Belushi he went out in a blaze of drugs etc. I am sure there will be another incarnation someday soon.


Check out Artie Lang.....:)

Trainer, Yes.

having said that I just weighed in at 210lbs....yikes:O heaviest I've ever been:whine:

[MasterBlaster]

That's perfect for 6'4", 6'5". ;)

[OTGBOSTON]

The worst part is that people keep telling me how GOOD I look:|:

(I'm 6')

[NeTree]

You fatass!

HAHAHAHA!

[OTGBOSTON]

bulking up:/:

[NeTree]

Yeah... me too... :lol:

[OTGBOSTON]

Erik, Clear your inbox.

[NeTree]

Done.

[Dave Shepard]

That's perfect for 6'4", 6'5". ;)

I don't know, I'm 6'3", and I'd look like I was terminally ill from something at 210. 230 is better.

[scottwojo]

The worst part is that people keep telling me how GOOD I look:|:

(I'm 6')

You don't need to lose weight, you just need to grow taller.:lol:

[MasterBlaster]

Let's see a pic of you shirtless and I'll tell you how good you look.

[OTGBOSTON]

Thats what I'm sayin!!! pic to follow the loss of twenty pounds....

[Ryan]

I've noticed a couple of trainers in these parts that are in less than stellar condition. One of them looks like he has put on at least 10lbs of gut in the last year. I guess a plaque on the wall saying you completed an eight week trainer course is more important than actually being fit yourself. Sure a trainer is all about the knowledge (that eight weeks schooling can give) but I think it's disrespectful to your trade if you can't practice what you preach.

[MasterBlaster]

Meh, that's like all the obese RN's and medical people you see out there. Stoopid.

[OTGBOSTON]

WTF, I ain't afraid of criticism....:D

[NeTree]

See? Fat bastid. :lol:




Shit, I must have 40 pounds on you. :|:

[Skwerl]

I may not weigh as much as you but I have a lot more fat. 5'7" and 180 and my spare tire puts yours to shame. I haven't taken my shirt off in public in 10 years. :(

[MasterBlaster]

Soft, like woman. :drink:

[scottwojo]

I may not weigh as much as you but I have a lot more fat. 5'7" and 180 and my spare tire puts yours to shame. I haven't taken my shirt off in public in 10 years. :(

oh boy. I am 20 pounds heavier and one inch shorter.

[vharrison]

I've noticed a couple of trainers in these parts that are in less than stellar condition.

My trainer is in stellar condition. Maybe MB will post the picture I sent him. He dressed up as a warrior for Halloween. :/:

[vharrison]

WTF, I ain't afraid of criticism....:D

Where was the picture taken? It reminds me of the pier in Coco Beach.

[Skwerl]

It sure does! I haven't been there in years.

[MasterBlaster]

My trainer is in stellar condition. Maybe MB will post the picture I sent him. He dressed up as a warrior for Halloween. :/:


At $60 a pop, he better look good... and his calves need work!

[OTGBOSTON]

The Municipal beach in Lake Worth. We went there every day. The first day there was a man-o-war warning, those suckers were all over the beach!

[Che]

yeah Butch....we're looking at his calves. :roll:



:P

[MasterBlaster]

Well if he want's to call himself a bodybuilder then he'd better get on the ball.

[OTGBOSTON]

shit, if I looked like that I'd wear that outfit everyday.

[MasterBlaster]

It's merely diet and exercise. He's too small to be 'rhoided up.

[vharrison]

At $60 a pop, he better look good... and his calves need work!

Trust me, his calves don't need work. Those shields are covering them up.

[treetx]

Not to sound gay, but I think the lad is doing ok in the body building dept.

Personally, I don't have a need for it. I liked being more built at 5'10" and 175 but it was just eating a lot of protein to lift weights to eat to lift to grow....for what? Meh.

I like being for fit with a much better power to weight ratio at 160lbs.

Shoot, I have zero miles this week for the jogging thread and will certainly tip beers at lunch today.....

[NeTree]

For us tree guys, endurance, power/weight ratio, and being fit far outweigh physical strength IMHO.

[MasterBlaster]

That's an oxymoron, maroon! :lol:

I think... :/:

[GASoline71]

6' 5" and around 235.

I need to get on the ball again. Been slackin'... Startin' to show signs of some man boobs... LMAO... :lol:

Need to tighten up

Gary

[Ryan]

I've gone on a desserts ban since xmas and I dropped a couple of pounds. I was eating baking on my way to bed and waking up with sugar cookies stuck to the roof of my mouth. I love any and all sweets.

Gary, if anything could scare a guy into improving his shape it would definitely be man-boobs.

[MasterBlaster]

I can't believe how hard I'm getting. I can actually tuck my shirt in now! I haven't been able to do that for years.

[Paul B]

Good job folks. :)

:shrink:

[Ryan]

I can't believe how hard I'm getting. I can actually tuck my shirt in now! I haven't been able to do that for years.


Are you saying the shirt wouldn't stay tucked or that your gut was too prominent to be comfortable with a tuck? Either way good job on sticking with your routine. Consistency seems to be the only way to improve on anything.

[Jonseredbred]

long tail t shirts are the best huh MB??

[MasterBlaster]

Not for work, doing that collects sawdust. I strategically cut off the bottoms of my work shirts for that reason, plus it allows air circulation on those 98 degree days.

[CurSedVoyce]

I need to quite beer ...:?:/::O:roll:

[MasterBlaster]

Why? Has beer ever quit you? :drink:


your gut was too prominent to be comfortable with a tuck?

:thumbup:

[CurSedVoyce]

I gained an inch... and 10 lbs... :(

[Canuck]

6'2" 180lbs. I'm the skinniest I've been in years. Bought a pair of jeans with 30" waist today. Getting a gym membership this week so I can start bulking up a bit. And yes, at least at first I will enlist the service of a personal trainer

[MasterBlaster]

That's an awesome weight, bro. If I can get to that I'll be all ripped spring steel.

[CurSedVoyce]

I guess I should not complain at 5'8" 155 LBS and 30 inch waist.. Butttt. ;)

[fishhuntcutwood]

Well if he want's to call himself a bodybuilder then he'd better get on the ball.

Yeah, and his quad are soft. Almost as soft as Lee Preist's quads in the 03 Olympia.

[MasterBlaster]

I dunno, I may have been a 'lil hard on the Beaver.

[hmm]

Soft, like woman. :drink:


SWEET - soft women that is a good thing

i am back on my program with the walks - did 1 mile today

yahoo

i could use a trainer too

[hmm]

I can't believe how hard I'm getting. .



hard is nice also

[MasterBlaster]

One mile ain't much...

Are you just starting?

[hmm]

nope i only walk that mile when it is to cold for the bike. the hills add to that mile. the most i ever do on a walk is 1.5 - for me it is the time and stride not the lenght.

getting the heart rate up for a substained amount of time.

[MasterBlaster]

It's better than nothing, but not by much. Your "substained amount of time" isn't enough, unless you're 70 years old.

Forgive me, I don't wanna sound like an ass.

[Che]

I used to walk about a mile a day with my neighbor before she got crazy busy. Probably ten years while our kids were going through school. I thought it was 'nothing'...mostly doing it for her (and the adult HUMAN contact) as I felt I got plenty of exercise on the farm.

Now that I'm not doing it anymore, its benefits are all so clear. If nothing else, it gets your metabolism up, sets you up for a good day. I can still walk at a brisk pace up any of the hills around here....but will admit to feeling a bit winded at the end. When I was getting that DAILY aerobic exercise, that didn't happen.

One mile was good.

[MasterBlaster]

Like I said, it's better than nothing.

[Che]

It's better than nothing, but it's also something that can be done FOREVER so I think its better than 'too much'. My 80 something year old MIL walks a mile most days easy. I'm sure I will be able to also when/if I hit that age. Doesn't take too long. Isn't too taxing. Just healthy.

I think the best program or 'diet' or whatever is the one you can plan on doing for a very long time.

[MasterBlaster]

Slow and low, gradually increasing. That's my gameplan.

[hmm]

i agree with Che. YES MB it is not much - a start yes - it gets me out of the house on cold days, the hills do help and with a good pace the heart rate is elevated. Your only need about 30 minutes a day to stay on a program.

Once the weather warms above 58 and the light is here - it is back on the bike for an average 20 miles.

with that walking routine, there is also light hand weights, 8 lb's and yoga and stretching to make it about a hour of time. I have found that a steady routine is great- I do a 12 week program then rest for two then start over. being of my age, I do not over do it - the height /weight is ok - not great - the muscles are toned and the body is good.

for me it works - i am never going to be that 5'8 130 lb in a bikini - so why try for it - so a 5'8 165 in shorts and a t is sweet.

[squisher]

Being fit and happy with yourself is much more important than trying to attain a unrealistic media hyped 'look' of perfection.

[MasterBlaster]

Your only need about 30 minutes a day to stay on a program.

I need at least twice that to kick my shit into gear. My treadmill routine takes right under 90 minutes.

But that's me. :drink:

[MasterBlaster]

Being fit and happy with yourself is much more important than trying to attain a unrealistic media hyped 'look' of perfection.


That sounds like something Dr. Phil would say. :lol:

[squisher]

Well seeing how I don't have broadcasted TV you'd know better than me.:P

[MasterBlaster]

Oh, hell yea.

[hmm]

Well seeing how I don't have broadcasted TV you'd know better than me.:P

YAHOO - i am not alone in the world of being tv less.

so for now - the program is for me to drop 18 lbs in 6 months

the century ride is on March 16

I also feel that you should share your goals with others so they can encourage you and support you in some way.

works for me

[MasterBlaster]

Hell yea. I'll soon post abs shots! :rockon:

[squisher]

You're not alone, we're just a quiet minority. I'll have tv when they pay me to advertise in my home. Oh yah and when my young highly impressionable daughter is long grown up.

[OTGBOSTON]

I got my excercise this weekend int he form of two snowstorms that dropped over a foot. There is no better core workout than shoveling snow!!!

[Skwerl]

I'm almost there, guys. I have a tv but no cable. In fact I haven't had cable in well over 15 years. I only turn it on when I go to bed to provide background noise. It helps distract me from the ringing in my ears so I can go to sleep. I turn it on to Leno and set the timer for 90 minutes, then I'm out in 5.

[squisher]

Hell yea. I'll soon post abs shots! :rockon:

That's cool MB, I admire your perseverance.

I've started working out again in the new year here. I could use to drop 20. That would put me at 5'10" 180. Which is a very comfortable weight for me, I'm big boned to say the least.

[hmm]

I'll soon post abs shots! :rockon:


YUMMY

[MasterBlaster]

Oh I'm yummy alright. ;)

[MasterBlaster]

It helps distract me from the ringing in my ears so I can go to sleep.


I run a fan to cover the outside sounds, but I've learned to use the ringing in my ears to lull me to sleep. It's amazing how loud it is. Oh well, things coild be worse.

[Dave Shepard]

What's the ringing from, too many years without earmuffs running the saws? I fear tinnitus. I think I'd go nuts.

[MasterBlaster]

You grow accustomed to it. :(

[squisher]

Yah I feel much luckier just going deaf. WHAT?

[woodworkingboy]

I think I'll take ringing over fingers being numb in bed, I hate that!

[fishhuntcutwood]

WHAT?

I'm deaf as a post due to my flying. Even with double hearing protection, I'm deaf as hell due to the noise in the HH-65.

[CurSedVoyce]

Huh ? Speak up man!

[Che]

I think I'll take ringing over fingers being numb in bed, I hate that!

You could sleep like I did last night, Jay....with two hand/wrist braces and earplugs on. EXTRAORDINARILY loud snoring to my right last night as well as bad carpal tunnel problems lately.

I'll gladly take loud snoring over silence over there though. (thanks Dear Abby)

[MasterBlaster]

Snoring? Has he tried those breath right nasal strips? I've always wondered if those things work.

[woodworkingboy]

Wow Che, that's a bummer about your wrists. Do you know what the cause is? I get it after heavy saw use, but so far it isn't permanent.

Snoring, supposedly sleeping not on your back can help. They have clinics that specialize in sleeping disorders, if it is real troublesome. Apparently, a large part of the population does.

[Che]

Mike had some dental surgery yesterday, so I didn't feel like I should apply the normal 'elbow fix'. He's always snored, but beer and a few too many pounds (related?!) make it worse it seems. I seriously doubt I could get him to wear those strips, Butch. You get used to it. Sometimes I do like you do with your tinnitus....set your mind to make it 'soothing'. Hard to explain.

Jay, I've had problems with Carpal Tunnel crap since I had my kids....common cause, I've heard. Some years/days worse than others. Sunday I put a few hours in cutting firewood (great fun, been a while) but worse.....I was repairing my dishwasher racks after having priced them at almost $100 each! I got the little plastic tips and vinyl type repair goop, the job involved quite a bit of filing/sanding. Probably should of used a file handle, duh. Lots of fine work which is very hard on bad hands.

I was told last year to wear my braces throughout the day...but I just find them way too annoying and restrictive....so I suffer, but not in silence. :P

[MasterBlaster]

Jay, I've had problems with Carpal Tunnel crap since I had my kids....common cause, I've heard.


A commom cause is kids? That's news to me.

[Che]

Hormones, Butch. My feet are longer too, a whole shoe size....not quite as Flintstone-ish....I can wear a medium width now instead of wide. Screwed up my lower back too....women shouldn't do heavy lifting when they're big as a house (pg). Prior to being pregnant I didn't have ANY physical complaints that I can remember...procreation is hard work.

[MasterBlaster]

I always thought it was caused from constant, repetitive motions. Hormones? Wow, cool. Or uncool, as it seems...

[Che]

The symptoms are because of the impinged (is that even a word?)...nerve that goes through the area called the carpal tunnel. This is because of the swelling of tissues due to inflammation caused by repetitive motion, and also because of the hormone changes in pregnant women. Or at least that's how I understand it.

WHY it would continue to be a problem for so many years, I don't have a clue. Who knows, maybe its now just cuz I'm an old fart and play on the computer too long.

[squisher]

My wife got carpal tunnel bad while she was pregnant but it went away for her shortly afterwards. Me on the otherhand I'm part of the shot hands group.:( Pain is the name of the game and vitamin I is the solution.:D

[vharrison]

My legs are so sore from yesterday's work out. Like, I want a diet coke but can't decide if it is worth making my muscle's work to get up to get one.

Che, I had never heard of the hormone/carple connection.

[MasterBlaster]

I've given up soda pop all together.

[Che]

Che, I had never heard of the hormone/carple connection.

Good! :D

[Paul B]

I drink a can or so of Coke Zero most days, otherwise a few glasses of water or juice. I find if I do have a few too many drinks (of the alcoholic kind) my wife tells me I snore too overnight. If I dont have a brew it seems my snoring doesnt occur.

I dont believe her either way, if it doesnt wake me up, it isnt loud enough to be a worry. :D

[squisher]

Heh maybe snoring isn't my problem after all. It's drinking.:lol:

[scottwojo]

Guys...have to report on my first training session.

I have never worked out like I did with a trainer. I sweated so much the next day I was down 2 pounds. The trainer recommended that I take a step aerobics class. The very next day I was in this class sweating like never before.

So first report, I would guess you could pass on a trainer if you were going to some sort of group class. I would still say that a trainer would be a good "temporary thing."

[MasterBlaster]

I can do it all sans trainer/bill.

[Blinky]

Jay,
Numbness in your hands and sore elbows at night can be back related. Untreated carpal tunnel syndrome is generally most painful at night, enough to keep you from sleeping.

I had bad numbness in my hands at night and tendinitis in my elbows after working 12 7's for month. I can be worse but three trips to a massage therapist did the trick. Still had tendinitis but the numbness went away completely.

[MasterBlaster]

OK, Gigi wanted to know how I did my leg raises. I do hanging leg raises, using those ropes. They make nice straps you can buy, but the rope works for me. I do them with my knees bent, but my goal is to eventually do them with my legs locked and horizontal. I increase my reps slowly and gradually, and I'm up to three sets of 50 reps every day.

The self-portrait treadmill shot is a freebie for the ladies... 8)

[vharrison]

I still can't get a visual for the leg lifts? Do you hang straight up and lift your legs? Like put your arms through the ropes?

[MasterBlaster]

http://www.ab-core-and-stomach-exercises.com/images/ab-straps2.jpg

[vharrison]

http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-do-hanging-leg-raises-properly-195126/

Ah, I do that, kinda, but like this. (don't know how I ended up at a gay site, but it shows how I do them) I find the hardest part of doing them like that is holding myself up, rather than the actual leg lift.

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[MasterBlaster]

That's why you use the ropes - the underside/triceps take all the weight.

[vharrison]

3 sets of 50, I am impressed. I only do 3 sets of 20 and am so glad when they are over.

[MasterBlaster]

I didn't start at 50, I worked my way up. I'll be up to 100 by summer.

[jamie]

leg lifts, i do a pull up, hold it at the top then do sets of 10....

JAmie

[pantheraba]

Kinda like this?

[MasterBlaster]

At one time I was tending bar at a downtown pub. We'd occasionally sneak out back in the narrow alley to burn one. The alley/space between the two 4 story buildings was narrow enough to allow me to do the same thing you're doing, Gary. I freaked a couple people out once when I went up to the second story doing that. Whutta rush. I coulda easily made it to the roof, but thought better of it.

This looks interesting.

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[pantheraba]

I freaked a couple people out once when I went up to the second story doing that. Whutta rush. I coulda easily made it to the roof, but thought better of it.

Discretion is the better part of valor...you were wise.

That looks like a great twisting ab exercise...good link.

[MasterBlaster]

Discretion is the better part of valor...you were wise.

Hell yea, I was drunk, high, and high! :|:

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[MasterBlaster]

Kinda like this?


How about THIS? :evil:

[pantheraba]

:O...that does not even begin to compute...way wack.

[MasterBlaster]

He's a tad up there, eh?

[GASoline71]

Well... a buddy of mine at work is doin' all the work to become a certified personal trainer. For one of his tasks he had to take a guinea pig (me) and do a risk assessment on them... and design a workout and nutrition regiment.

So I was game and he designed a workout for me to help strengthen my lower back and got me on some cardio... been goin' now about 2 weeks, and I can already tell the difference.

Now I'm gettin' all this stuff for free... but I did join a gym, and am starting regular workouts there... I'm diggin' the workouts again. Keepin' things slow for now... but I will start with some weight training soon.

Plus I really was slackin' in the foods I was eatin' again. nothin' but a bunch of shit. So I have been to a webiste that my buddy recommended... www.mypyramid.gov

It is a way to track your intake of food and also track your excercise level. It is a USDA website. It will flat out scare ya when you put in what you eat... turned my diet around in a hurry. I'll be back to lean and mean GASoline in short order...

Gary

[MasterBlaster]

That's cool, Gary. Keep it up!

Today I bumped my treadmill workout up a notch, and it was easy. I was running 1/2, and walking 1/2. NOW I'm running .30 and walking .20. The next bump will be me running .35 and walking . 15.

Sweet. Soon I'll be running it all like my nergo Deva! :rockon:

[GASoline71]

I am walkin' the whole deal right now at a pretty good clip... but am starting to make the treadmill incline more... Soon I'll be able to flatten that out and start joggin' a little...

This feels great mang! :)

Plus there are some hotties in the gym to look at too! ;)

Gary

[vharrison]

Gary, were you sore after the risk assessment?

[Buzz]

Joined up to the local gym myself tonight... I think the trainers at gyms are crap. My mate does it professionally and really knows his stuff.
I think they can help with motivation for alot of folks.

[squisher]

Just so you knows, anyone who's getting paid to do it is doing it professionally.:D

And a more accurate thing to say would be the staff trainers at your gym are crap.;)

[Buzz]

Yeah cheers for that lol, you knew what i ment though ;)

[jamie]

i've been wih edinmburgn leisure for a year now, most of the gym 'instructors' listen to what you say and give you more of the same. the personal trainers seem good but even those that work for edinburgh leisure seem reluctant to give any advice unless you cough up the cash....even when in their E.L. gear:X

Jamie

[vharrison]

MB, I was telling Peter about the ab workout you do and asked him which was harder, your type or the type I do. He said by far, the one you do. Even harder than the leg kick ups I do. You go guy!

[MasterBlaster]

Don't forget, I'm doing them with my legs bent. Straight legs are HARD, and my goal.

[squisher]

i've been wih edinmburgn leisure for a year now, most of the gym 'instructors' listen to what you say and give you more of the same. the personal trainers seem good but even those that work for edinburgh leisure seem reluctant to give any advice unless you cough up the cash....even when in their E.L. gear:X

Jamie

A good trainer won't 'train' you for free. What did the Joker say? 'If you're good at something don't do it for free'.8)

[GASoline71]

Gary, were you sore after the risk assessment?

I sure was... It was the first time I ever did any work on a treadmill... plus we worked out core strength with a medicine ball... :)

Now my muscles are gettin' in tune to the whole deal... :)

Gary

[MasterBlaster]

I'm turning into tempered spring steel.

[Burnham]

Spring, Butch...spring steel.

Or maybe you mean you're getting really thin.

:lol:

[MasterBlaster]

Ha, fixed.

[vharrison]

My last day with Peter is Friday. I am on my own from here on out. We will do measurements and go over my plan. I can't thank him enough.

[Skwerl]

Good deal, Gigi. I wish I had the funds and dedication to make that big of a commitment to improving my health and physique. :)

[woodworkingboy]

Good luck, Gigi. We're counting on you to stick with it, and looking forward to an update of the cheerleader picture. :)

[MasterBlaster]

I can't thank him enough.

You don't have to - you've paid him enough already.

[Che]

Good for you, Gigi. Is he still available for 'quick consult' should you need it?

Money isn't everything....of course, thank him. The best way would be to stick with it.

[vharrison]

Che, yes, he is in the gym all the time and said he would keep an eye on me and let me know if I am doing anything wrong.

[sotc]

pics!

[pantheraba]

Gigi, you are tracking right, girl...keep at it consistently and good results will just keep on coming.8)