High capacity chip truck

[arborworks1]

1998 gmc c 6500.

14 x6 ft southco box no pruner box in bed

3126 cat diesel 6 speed manual.

69,000 miles

New tires last year.

$25,000.00

[Old Monkey]

Nice rig. Is everything OK?

[arborworks1]

Yeah, the truck is great. I would like to have a smaller 4x4 chip truck, that is all.

[Mr. Sir]

It's obvious from the picture that it's NEVER been used! :P

I guess you just drive around in parades a lot. ;)

[arborworks1]

Yeah that is the parade truck. The backup. Gets washed and waxed every month.

IF only that were true, any of it.

[darkstar]

Im in the market for that truck, but i i bought an F650 with cummins 72k miles 2002 for 24,000.
It had new rubber as well.
Is that PTO dump ?

[arborworks1]

Yes its pto dump.

You got a 2002 with a chipbox for that cheap?

[Jonseredbred]

This seems to be a steal...........

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220332140937&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

[No_Bivy]

whats the GVW?

[arborworks1]

Under Cdl.

[sotc]

wow! not diggin the 7 speed but id suffer for that price!

[arborworks1]

That is a good Deal for that truck. IT will never turn around on a small street.

Should ride good on the highway!

[JohnB]

I have a very similar truck with a 3126 Cat. The 3126 was discontinued for all its problems but if you take care of it keep an eye on it it should be ok. As for mine I'd like to piss on it and throw it in the lake.

[Skwerl]

What's wrong with the 3126? I think that's the same motor in my truck, it has 8000 hours on the meter.

[JohnB]

Cat now makes the 3126B an upgraded version.

[arborworks1]

Actually the 3116 was the motor they had so much trouble with. The standard Cat 3126 is still the mainstay of the commercial Marine diesel. This truck is a 3126 E I believe, without going out and looking on the valvecover.

[Skwerl]

Mine runs like a frikkin Swiss watch. 8)

[arborworks1]

I have always changed the fuel filters when I change the oil. I have always thought that was a little overkill but I have not had any problem with bacteria in my trucks.

Cats are good running motors. I think the cummins get better milage but the they don't have the low end grunt.

[Dave Shepard]

Apples to apples?

[arborworks1]

So who wants the Truck?

[lumberjack]

Trades? :P

[No_Bivy]

you said it has a shitty turning radius? My Int seems to out perform my one ton hands down, does this truck compare?

[Skwerl]

I think the 'shitty turning radius' was the pic somebody posted of the 4 door 114' long Ford crew cab chip truck on eBay.

[arborworks1]

I was referring to the big ebay truck. Mine turns real well. I would say it turns the same as your international. Same specs, just different chassis.

I would trade for a 4x4 chip truck! In good shape. Must be diesel.


LJ, How many guns is this guy worth to ya!!:P

[Dave Shepard]

I have an IH 2275 with a 9' dump body, it will turn about as short as a Smart car.:/:

[darkstar]

We have a very very shitty F650 with 20 foot long wheel base dump towing 1890 or 200 +
These guys get it anywhere.
Yeah its a pita but the nose of the truck is pretty good at sneaking around.
Best is once its in place, load load load.

[thattreeguy]

I think the 'shitty turning radius' was the pic somebody posted of the 4 door 114' long Ford crew cab chip truck on eBay.

114' wow that way too long to drive, i'd preffer the
114" model:P

[Skwerl]

Hah! Me too, I was just being sarcastic with the 114' comment. It looks longer than a frikkin Greyhound bus in the pictures though! :lol:

[Wagnaw]

That thing (the GMC) would be great if I were moving back to Baltimore.

[arborworks1]

Ok So lets sweeten the pot some. I'll deliver it to you if you pay for fuel!

Any takers?

[wpt texas]

Have you sold it yet?

[arborworks1]

Not Yet, had a few inquires about it. You interested?

[Wagnaw]

Arborworks, What's your definition of a smaller 4x4 chip truck?

I got this... What you think?

[MasterBlaster]

The Brits will love it!

[wpt texas]

Possibly, would like to discuss it with you tomorrow if possible. You can contact me at 409 791-5076 or I can call you if you give me some contact info.

[NeTree]

Looks like about 30 foot working height off the top of the box. =D

[MasterBlaster]

Yea, fun to fit into tight places.

[wpt texas]

Right Eric----will comfortably hold thee or four----no problem. BW

[CurSedVoyce]

Wagnaw I love that rig! Have since you finished it. I pretty much need the same thing when I am ready to place the money down ;)

[Wagnaw]

Yeah, it's done. I took the arms from the electric tarp off, and it's pretty clean right now. I'm mounting a tool box on the dump's lid that hangs over the cab. Tool storage is the ONLY thing I think it lacks. I bet it holds about 7-8 yards of chips too, which is about all I've needed lately. ...mostly pruning jobs.

[CurSedVoyce]

We burn here for the most part so the most I get off a job is about 10 yards. Rarely more than that. I can see where tool storage is major. I already have that issue with the one tons. I will probably experiment with the Ford in that regard. Place a set of boxes front ahead of the bed then the bed with lift sort of thing. Or I will just get a forestry truck.. Tossing both ideas around.

[Al Smith]

I got this... What you think? Old Tom the tree guy had a get up about like that when he started out . 8 feet plywood sides on a pick em up with a tarp on top .

Damned rattle trap scared me to death .Going around a corner that thing would get a 30 degree port list if you turned one way ,a starboard list the other .

I had visions of a picture in the newspaper of that thing completely upside down with all 4 wheels in the air and chips all over the place .:O

[thattreeguy]

hey cursed...do you get the paper rag..the equipment mart, comes outa oregon, graddys in medford oregon has a couple ford, 4x4 1ton,gas460 davey tree trucks,$7500.00 each
i dont know his equip well, spoke to him a time or two,seem ok,
Better than area north in wa
ite trucks in washington has a 4x4 1 ton completely rebuilt for $18000.00
but thats a chevy with a 6.6 diesel i dont know much about that motor

i like my man cab for storage, but i also need a 4x4 chip rig, and diesel for an exhaust brake, trucks for here are so spendy vs the flatland trucks

[sotc]

mike at graddys is cool, hes always buying, fixing and selling stuff. theres a good chance those trucks came outta california for a reason, may not let them back in

[CurSedVoyce]

Yeah, emissions is a biatch. A lot of vehicles leave the state for just that reason. Too expensive to redo for the emissions standards. A 4X4 gas is what I will probably lean toward, but the bucket truck is also a serious thought. I ain't gettin any younger.
We are actually looking at tractors right now. Then a PTO chipper for it. That way I can use it as a loader and a chipper. I can eventually add a mower, both grass and brush. And then do driveways and such during slow season if I have one. Not to mention how handy it will be on our acreage :D

[CurSedVoyce]

Ohhh ... quick note... There is a sweet 1969 Kenworth narrow nose flat bed in Sweet Home Oregon for sale that was in the Ag Source paper. Knuckle boom or something would really look nice on that. 7500.00

[arborworks1]

No one wants this truck. I'm shocked, offers still on the table.

[Skwerl]

It's not the truck, nobody wants to take on new financial obligations with such an uncertain economic future. :(

[arborworks1]

Thanks for the dismal reminder. THANKS

[Wagnaw]

I've wanted to buy, but I can't even get a credit card for my biz right now. It's retarded! So, all cash is going into advertising, so hopefully, I'll have some decent receipts to show the bank at the end of this quarter. ...maybe then...

[arborworks1]

Bump, Any takers.

[Skwerl]

Andrew spent all his nonexistant money on a mini! :P

[arborworks1]

I can't say I blame him. That was a great deal.

[Jonseredbred]

I'd be interested if you took a bucket truck in trade.

[arborworks1]

What model bucket?

[Jonseredbred]

This one is for sale, it is older but it is in excellent shape. 1045A Skyworker with 14' elevator, 64' working height.

Truck has 35,000 original miles. No issues.

[arborworks1]

The international in the background looks nice tell me about it.

[Jonseredbred]

Its a '93 fresh shortened and rearmount. ALC50

There is a thread about the construction of that truck somewhere here in the TH

[MasterBlaster]

A headache rack with six supports, cool. Usually, they're only four.

[arborworks1]

That truck is Setup with a 7.3? how many miles and what is the gvw for a short wheel base like that?

[Jonseredbred]

no its a DT360 in that, thats a sub 26,000# gvw non CDL.

[stehansen]

Arborworks, Jonsared's bucket would be perfect to go with your truck.

[arborworks1]

WOuld be nice, I think I need to get a small chip truck first though. I got a bucket anyway.

[stehansen]

I know, I was just thinking that would be a sweet set-up. If I had a bunch of work I'd buy your truck. I hardly ever have space problems.

[arborworks1]

Someone will get it, Or I will keep it, whatever. I still have my heart set on a 4x4 bucket, when I win the lottery I guess.

[Skwerl]

How new of a truck are you looking for, Scott? Sagon in Atlanta has some older ones that are pretty cheap. If you want something newer, I got my last one from NUECO in Birmingham.
http://www.sagontrucks.com/
http://www.nueco.com/

[Koa Man]

I hope to get a 4x4 dump, 12 to 14 ft. bed, around F450-550 size later this year. I want the small cab type truck. Since I got the Waikiki hotel jobs, I do a lot of driving on sand. I have lost traction at times when running my 4x4 pickup in 2 whl drive.

[arborworks1]

I am really just looking around right now, if a good deal comes along then so be it.

[Skwerl]

Check this one out, Scott. 6th row down, first column.
http://www.sagontrucks.com/products.php?category=1
1997 IH 4X4 with an Altec AM855 (same as mine) for $28,500.

http://www.sagontrucks.com/bigpicture/1/851/img/851/0.jpg

[arborworks1]

That is a big truck, What I have the worst time with is the sheer weight of the truck. Not really worried about cdl stuff, just the curb weight. My idea was the 4x4 off road buckets that asplhund and others use, with the big float tires all the way around. I have watched the spreader trucks around here just ease right across plowed fields that a stock pickup sinks up to there frame in.

Before you blast me about using mats and what not. That is what we have to do now. Plus those trucks are such shortwheelbase that they can be squeezed in almost anywhere.

[Skwerl]

Ahh, now I'm getting it. Different environments require different approaches. Something like Andrew's short wheelbase truck but 4X4.

Something like this? :)

http://www.sagontrucks.com/bigpicture/1/797/img/797/0.jpg

[arborworks1]

Like this I have found one or two in good shape I was just hoping for diesels. Then I can crush cars on the weekends:D

[arborworks1]

Then again, Like I said I have a bucket that works fine. I am considering a trade in for one of these fine machines, and turning my isuzu into my small chip truck.

[CurSedVoyce]

Hey now that 4wd Beast is friggen cool!
Hey Andrew... What are you asking for the Shorted bucket again ?? Pm me with it please.

[Wagnaw]

I've seen those monster Asplundh trucks... THey're pretty sweet.

[MasterBlaster]

Now THESE are some trucks. :drink:

[thattreeguy]

Ahh, now I'm getting it. Different environments require different approaches. Something like Andrew's short wheelbase truck but 4X4.

Something like this? :)

http://www.sagontrucks.com/bigpicture/1/797/img/797/0.jpg

thats what i need, 4x4 flatbed, id like a rear mount but for the $ it would work great

the float tires on the other would just turn you over in our mtns,

im looking currently and found our fine state will be making us do away with older model diesels in the future so im unfortunately looking at gas motors

does anyone know if there is a pac brake or something like an exhaust brake for gas powered trucks
our grades are steep and long here, and rpm speed becomes an issue quick
dont want to loose brakes a gain...ever...i dont want to have to roll it to stop it.

[sotc]

I don't think most gas engines could take that much back pressure. Gassers have a butter fly on the intake side that works kinda similar by make the engine work harder to suck in air. Sooner or later California business are going to have to rebel against all the nonsense or leave the state!

[lumberjack]

It looks like you have until 2023 to have the vehicle compliant. I don't think if I bought a new work truck tomorrow I'd still be driving it in 13 years.

[Newfie]

I'm sure they will come after the gassers next. A lot of bored politicians in Cali.

[CurSedVoyce]

They just keep regulating us to death in this state. You should see the bull that turns into a bill so they can make pork.:P

[Wagnaw]

I saw an Unimog in Asheville for sale. You could put a chip box on that thing!

[stehansen]

thats what i need, 4x4 flatbed, id like a rear mount but for the $ it would work great

the float tires on the other would just turn you over in our mtns,

im looking currently and found our fine state will be making us do away with older model diesels in the future so im unfortunately looking at gas motors

does anyone know if there is a pac brake or something like an exhaust brake for gas powered trucks
our grades are steep and long here, and rpm speed becomes an issue quick
dont want to loose brakes a gain...ever...i dont want to have to roll it to stop it.

I think the newer allison transmissions have a retarder that can brake the vehicle.

QUOTE]...i dont want to have to roll it to stop it[/QUOTE] Could you explain this?

[lumberjack]

I saw an Unimog in Asheville for sale. You could put a chip box on that thing!

How much? Probably rediculous amounts of moo-lah.

[thattreeguy]

I think the newer allison transmissions have a retarder that can brake the vehicle.

QUOTE]...i dont want to have to roll it to stop it Could you explain this?[/QUOTE]

Sure
the hills in our backwoods eat brakes, no retarder -and you will eventually fade your brakes, because the rpm raise very quickly, and then you are stab braking for awhile, low gears up r's real fast here
its like driving up to arrowhead or big bear, on a shorter road,
the unknown coast and kings range are brutal
i lost brakes going into petrolia once in my boom, just got down the last hill and they dumped all the fluids out.
and once in my suburban going into shelter cove with my 250 xp behind it, i used the hillside to stop me that time
our roads are small and windy,
if your brakes fade out, youre screwed, so ya look for natural features that will stop you, like a nice spot in the road to put the truck up the embankment and onto its side, rather than let it continue as a self propelled rocket
every year mclellan mtn on hwy 36 claims a rig or two as does 299
its kind of a safety thing to know where the cliffs are, where the straightaways are etc, id rather tip it over than go over the bank or bail out in the road,
kind of extreme, but so are the roads

[stehansen]

Oh, you meant roll it over to stop it. I was thinking roll it forward.:|: I must be going blonde. Not to change the subject, but my nephew teaches high school in Petrolia.

Check this out. The guy says that this stop is using the retarder only.
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[lumberjack]

It's strange he holds the same RPM (aside from some fluttering) for 10-11 seconds while the MPH's climb 15-20 mph. That doesn't seem "right" by any means.

[Skwerl]

Carl, you're used to driving trucks with standard transmissions. There was absolutely nothing unusual about the acceleration phase of that video. 100% normal for an Allison.

[lumberjack]

I didn't think my chip truck shifts like that, but you're 100% right, that's the only auto truck (not a pickup, obviously) I've driven.

Seems like that would build a stupendous amount of heat in the tranny, but I guess that's the TC doing it's thing (higher stall w/ lockup I'd guess?)

[Dave Shepard]

That looks about right to me. The '05 Duramax where I used to work would hold a high rpm when you got into it, fluctuating only a 100 or so either way for shifts. Very smooth. I have a Jakobs exhaust brake on my pickup, they work great. I also drove a Mitso fh200 with the exhaust brake and auto, it shuts off, shifts down, and comes back on automatically. Very smooth, and very quick deceleration. They do have their limits, anything with a twin-screw really should have a real engine brake, IMO.

[Skwerl]

Also, you're used to your gas motor which has a much wider powerband. Big diesels usually stay between 2000 and 2500 rpm when you're accelerating so there will be an increase in speed without a big increase in rpm. Your gas motor will rev up a couple thousand rpm for that same speed increase.

[lumberjack]

Yeah, must be the TC. I've driven standard shift Class 6-8 diesels and they (obviously) don't shift like that.

Learn something new every day. :)

[arborworks1]

I had an old beat up grapple truck that would shift and drive similar to that, It didn't have a retarder on it though. My isuzu has a exhaust brake on it and it will almost stop itself, when I'm not towing!

[Skwerl]

Can an exhaust brake be added on after the fact? I could probably use one on that pig of a truck I drive around. Invariably the light will turn yellow when I'm 400' away and running 50 mph. :(
If so, approximately what can I expect to pay to have one installed?

[lumberjack]

Yes it can be added, but I'm not sure of the price.

Which engine does it have?

[Skwerl]

3126 Cat, 7.2 litre straight 6 turbo diesel.

[arborworks1]

I think banks makes one for that cat. Exhaust brakes are great I don't know why they don't come standard on diesels.

[Dave Shepard]

If you go into the "medium duty brake guide" it shows some apps for the brake. It is kind of hard to read, maybe you can blow it up.

http://www.pacbrake.com/index.php?page=prxb-exhaust-brakes-3

[lumberjack]

Granted it's a kit for a Ford, but it gives you an idea:

http://rockin-s-performance.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=12&products_id=1420

Just a WAG, but I'd say figure on $2k. Are you sure they're legal in your city (they aren't in Columbus, are in the county)?

[Dave Shepard]

Kits are around a $1000, sometimes more, sometimes less. They usually aren't too bad to install. Carl, are the exhaust brakes banned as well? They aren't anywhere near as noisy as an engine brake. They usually just hiss, much quieter than the crash that might ensue from not having one.:lol:

[lumberjack]

On Dave's link, Chevy 8500 W/ onboard air needs a C20650.

I think the ordinance says no exhaust brakes (or retarders), never paid it much attention.

Brian won't be putting the kit on himself, the Ford kit I linked was $1300, fwiw.

[Skwerl]

The first three hits on a Google search had prices from $1000-$1400. So I think $3K would be the absolute max. with full installation. Probably closer to $2K.

It would be fun flipping the switch and seeing the lil econobox drivers crapping their pants after they cut in front of me with their foot on the brake! :lol:

[JamesTX]

You can do a cheap exhaust brake using the back pressure valve of the turbo. Guys do it to 250/350s, but I'm not sure how well it'd work on a big truck.

[JamesTX]

....going into shelter cove

We stayed there last year on vacation. You're right about the roads.

[arborworks1]

Great thing about exhaust brake is it doesn't make the noise of a jake brake. So they should be legal everywhere.

[lumberjack]

The first three hits on a Google search had prices from $1000-$1400. So I think $3K would be the absolute max. with full installation. Probably closer to $2K.

It would be fun flipping the switch and seeing the lil econobox drivers crapping their pants after they cut in front of me with their foot on the brake! :lol:


Yeah, I thought about it and reduced it to $2k after I remember you're not afraid to shop around, just getting greasy is out of the question.:P

[stehansen]

That's probably a safe estimate. The PRABX website says kits starting at $1100 and change. Are these noisy?

[Skwerl]

I simply don't have any place to work on it legally. I've put in my time turning wrenches. Remember I grew up in my father's service station.

[Dave Shepard]

The exhaust brakes are not very noisy at all. A real Jake on a truck with 10" straight chimneys sounds like a frickin' helicopter is flying up your backside.:lol:

[sotc]

Brian, do you have an auto tranny? You better ask around before you install the brake. Most often and auto tranny needs to be built for an exhaust brake, thats alot of back pressure that most are not designed for

[Skwerl]

Yeah, it's a new style Allison 6 speed auto. All electronic, push button shifting (a small keypad on the left edge of the dash).

[thattreeguy]

We stayed there last year on vacation. You're right about the roads.

thank you for seeing what i mean,
the cove isnt the worst but up there on the list
i put an exhaust brake on my old boom, i could just drop in anywhere
only available for a diesel though and here come our new carb laws

[thattreeguy]

[QUOTE=stehansen;340753]Oh, you meant roll it over to stop it. I was thinking roll it forward.:|: I must be going blonde. Not to change the subject, but my nephew teaches high school in Petrolia.

Check this out. The guy says that this stop is using the retarder only.


Hey steve
have ya been out there before?
i did the eucs at the community center during the canooe creek honeydew fire a few years back
(no im not the one who topped em...i did the canopy cleaning)
i camped on light house road for about a month and a half, while working on the winery trees and then the fire
the roads out there suck, but its so pretty
your vid shows the dt466., with the exhaust brake
..great motor
my old boom had one and i loved going to places like that
need something for a gas motor now

[stehansen]

No, I have never been there. The closest I have been is my Wife and I stayed the night at Sea Ranch one time about 25 years ago. Petrolia must be pretty remote because the high school has like 5 students. He lives in Ferndale and I'm hoping to get together with him on our West Coast Climb weekend. Here is the text from the video.

1994 IH 4900, tweaked DT466, making about 270hp. 4.78 gears, Allison auto, and a retarder. This run it weighs about 27k pounds, and goes from 0-56mph & back down on the retarder(no brakes used).

[thattreeguy]

drop into petrolia from ferndale steep!
come from honeydew turnoff of 101 is beautiful , old growths river, worth the visit

[Skwerl]

I wish my truck accellerated that fast. :( The book says my Cat only puts out about 215 hp. and I'm about the same weight at over 27K lbs.

[stehansen]

He supposedly has the engine putting 270 hp. Must have opened up the rack. I've been thinking about doing that on my motor. It might start smoking and if it does I can just turn it back down. I think it's more complicated on the newer motors, and it can't help but shorten the life of everything.

[thattreeguy]

ponci's diesel center in fortuna ca, specializes in diesels and even has some built for racing at the samoa drag strip
dont know if they have a web site
but brad makes diesels that can smoke a sports car off the line
and roast 36's on the road
see if there's a web site

[tree MDS]

Like this I have found one or two in good shape I was just hoping for diesels. Then I can crush cars on the weekends:D

I've got one of those same trucks, yep, an old aspy unit. I bought it from schmiddys. They put all terrain tires on it but it still looks menacing as all hell.

I've often dreamt of driving over cop cars with it.