Best small handgun.

[darkstar]

Wife keep telling me she wants to carry something smaller than her glock.
Baby glock is still to big she said.
I was thinking about the new LCP's.
Open to any suggestions.

[darkstar]

Or maybe one of these ?
http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec_P3AT.htm

[fishhuntcutwood]

Baby Glock too big? Heck then, she'll need to look at one of the many sub-compacts out there, but she'll probably have to move down into a .380 Auto or single stack 9mm to get a gun smaller than a G26.

Is she wanting a revolver or semi-auto?

[Skwerl]

Which Glock? As mentioned before, the G36 has the single stack magazine so the grip is much thinner than most other Glocks. only 6+1 capacity but it throws a big ol .45 slug so you only gotta hit your target once to get it's attention.

edit: That Kel-Tec looks sweet!

[fishhuntcutwood]

How much thinner is the 36 than the 26? I know I can look it up, but in a real-world, in you hand, how much difference is there?

Curious is all...I've got a 26, and want to buy a 36

[JamesTX]

I saw these posted at another site recently - http://kahr.com/PA-1_9mm_pm.html . They look cool.

[lumberjack]

The difference isn't that great.

Keltec sucks, Kahr isn't bad.

I'd go with an Airlight or SC J frame sized wheel gun.

[Wagnaw]

I held/ shot a gun for the first time yesterday, so you'll get no good advise from me. ...not that you were askin anyway...:P

[Treeslayer]

Walther PPK in .380

[Banned by Squirrels]

You're wife packs heat!

Man are you guys like Gummer's or what?? :lol:

http://www.websophist.com/Tremors_06MO.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/b/bf/Burtontruck.jpg

[pantheraba]

Walther PPK in .380

I carried a PPK/S for years...slim, reliable (after I had it throated), has an external safety (which is peace of mind for a lot of folks). It is a good carry gun...though the round is at the bottom of the list of desirable ones for self-defense.

But...you are more likely to have it with you since it is easier to carry than some of the larger handguns.

[TheTreeWiseMen]

Take a look at the new Walther PPS or the Kahr PM9.

[Stumper]

The Ruger LCP is essentially a copy of the Keltec P3AT. Both had some problems with the first runs of the little pistols but my experience with the P3AT is 100% reliability

[darkstar]

No word on the new LCP from ruger huh.

She just wont carry a glock 9 by 19.
I need to find something else good asap.

[darkstar]

The Ruger LCP is essentially a copy of the Keltec P3AT. Both had some problems with the first runs of the little pistols but my experience with the P3AT is 100% reliability
Cool i need to shoot one.
My wife can deffinatly place the bullet in the correct spot :O

[sawinredneck]

I have no love love for the .380acp. It's not that effective, or reliable. The .32acp beats it almost every time, .32's seem a bit tiny though, but she might like it?
Berreta makes a .22lr in the size of a .380 I alwas thought was neat, but thats me.

[Stumper]

Andy , I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that the .32 beats the .380....but if you love the .32, Keltec makes one a wee bit tinier than the P3AT.

Jerry, Because the P3AT is very lightweight and short barrelled the .380 bucks and roars substancially from it----but control isn't really a problem. The trigger is heavy-esentially a DAO except the slide must cycle to bring the hmmer to a "halfcocked"/precocked condition but mine shoots to the sights (VERY low profile) and I can keep a paper cup bouncing at 7-15 yards.

[sawinredneck]

Wel Justin, it seems I am wrong, sorry!! I was thinking about back when I had one. Apperanty bulet technology has vastly improved for the round. Good to hear!
It's a neat, versatile size,and the guns are a handy size as well. But MOST need throat work to feed hollow points consistantly.
That and they have a "snappy" recoil, it's easily tamed, but can scare the uninitiated.
Sorry about the misinformation!

[No_Bivy]

"throated"...whats that:/:

[sawinredneck]

The "throat" of the barrel, or feed ramp, has to be smoothed out so the rounds come out of the magazine and feed into the bore smoothly.
90% of these guns are made to feed "ball" ammo, like the original Colt .45acp's, and wont reliably feed hollow points.

[cybergeek23851]

I know it may have not been mentioned, but check out the Bersa Thunder in .380. They are decent little shooters. I can also vouch for the P3AT.It does get a little uncomfortable after firing more than say 100 rounds, mostly due to it's size.


... or you can have a wife, like my friend John's. She loves her S&W 500 Mag for home defense purposes. :lol:

I now want one. :(

[Koa Man]

I personally would not like to get shot even by a pellet gun. A woman here got killed after being shot with a pellet gun in the chest. The pellet entered her heart. She did drive away and died about an hour later. I would think a .22LR would put a big hurt on someone. 3 or 4 in the mid-section plus another 2 in the head should do it. I don't carry a gun, but my choice would probably be a 9mm.

If you are looking to stop someone dead in their tracks, nothing (within reason) beats a 12 gauge with buck shot.

[lumberjack]

I have a wide selection including a P3AT.

I still say a J frame (I prefer Scandium) SW, or a Khar 9mm.

If I had a purse, I'd look hard at a snubby 327, (which I have ;)) 8 rounds of 357mag (or 38) and a full size grip in a lite weight, accurate package.

[darkstar]

Yeah. im looking at revolvers.
They seem to fit this bill,.

[lumberjack]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/10mmsheepdog/Gun/DSC05341.jpg

Top left is the P3AT, under it is the G26 with a +0 extention.

Then you have the J frames (5 shot 357's), 327 (8 shot 357), and the bottom is a "Lady Smith," (5 shot 38SPC).

The Keltec is thinner than the revolvers. The 327's full size grip makes shooting full house loads no big deal. The J frames (and 327) are Scandium, about 14oz loaded.

[MasterBlaster]

Slotta gunz.

[Tzed250]

SIG P232,

[Stumper]

Nice wheels Carl.

[JamesTX]

If I had a purse.......

If you ever do get one, I'd suggest keeping it to yourself.

[top hopper]

I like those 6 shooter 357s. Sexy!

[MasterBlaster]

I wish I could turn all firearms into high grade marijuana.

[CurSedVoyce]

They would call that excessive force boss... LOL

[lumberjack]

If you ever do get one, I'd suggest keeping it to yourself.

Thanks Justin. I have others, but I've pocket carried every gun in that picture, excluding the 327. Trying to stay "on topic.":lol:

I've considered getting a fag bag to enable rolling hella dirty.

Cuz, there's only 5 shooters and 8 shooters in that picture ;).

[Dave Shepard]

James beat me to it.:lol:

I like the those PPK/S's. Don't know how good they are for anything, but I like'em.:)

[MasterBlaster]

I've considered getting a fag bag to enable rolling hella dirty.

Yes, that's the first thing one should consider when preparing to "roll."

[sawinredneck]

It's not a purse, it's a "man bag":lol::lol::lol:

Call it what you want, it's still GAHHHHHHHHYYYYY:lol:

[top hopper]

Cuz, there's only 5 shooters and 8 shooters in that picture ;).

Yeah thats what I meant those 5 shooters.

[CurSedVoyce]

Man Bag with gun .... This ain't gay... it deadly:evil:
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[Hobby Climber]

I'd have to strongly agree with Carl on the Airweights!

I'd go with the enclosed hammer for a number of reasons. Safety being number one. You grab, point, pull. Simple!!! Remember: K.I.S.S. ??? ;)

The issue is the hammer getting cought on something. If this is to be used for personel protection, then something like a S&W Mod.#442 would be the most practical choice.

Last thing you want in a bad situation is something complicated. Because your wife likely wont be shooting her gun every month means she's not going to be very familure with it.

Slides, slide locks, safeties, external hammers, cycling a round before shooting, etc etc etc. Sheesh!

When chit hits the fan, all your going to be thinking about is Grab, Point, Pull. Anything more than that will place you at a disadvantage when seconds count, IMHP!!!

BTW, When I was first hired (19 years ago) with the police, officers were issued 38cal. revolvers. They had the hammer-spur cut off of them to reduce the risk of snaging and possibly going off unintentionally. This is why I think the S&W Airwights with inclosed hammers makes the best choice all around.


HC


ps- Forgot to mention, a gun must fit the shooters hand properly!!! This is very important!!!

...

[lumberjack]

I agree with the enclosed hammer, although I carry an exposed hammer.

It should be noted that you can smack the back of the hammer as hard as you like (when it is at rest), and the gun won't fire.

[darkstar]

Wife does shoot regularly.
I wish she would just buck up and carry the 9 , i like the option of 15 shots,and another 15 and so forth.
Ill be thinking hard on this one.
Leaning toward the revolver though.
Just so simple and bam bam .
6 shots should do it...

[lumberjack]

Contrary to popular belief, barrel length (in general) doesn't effect accuracy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/10mmsheepdog/Gun/DSC04732.jpg

[MasterBlaster]

What, was that snake 30, 40 feet away, lol!

[Skwerl]

Butch, are you implying that it would be simple to hit a 1" target from 30-40' away using a pocket pistol? I'm sensing a bit of a sneer in your post.

[MasterBlaster]

:thumbup:

[Hobby Climber]

Dark,


That S&W mod 442 pocket pistol is a five shot gun ...not six. Keeps size & weight down. Better fit for small hands! ;)

HC

[Hobby Climber]

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[JamesTX]

Lot's of pretty pictures - http://lundestudio.com/2008SHOTShow/

[darkstar]

She said she did not want a revolver...

[pantheraba]

Sig P230.

[arborworks1]

Carl. Come on how many shots did you take at that snake before you hit it.:P

[sawinredneck]

Sig P230.

Desert Eagle .50, go BIG or go home :lol::lol::lol:

Laugh all you want about that. A buddy of mines wife was told "You couldn't handle the power of a 10mm, that would put you on your ass lady!" by a salesman. 5' 6"ish, 150lbs. I can stop you, or at least hurt you bad with that gun. She can put a round right between your eyes everytime!!!
It sucks being out shot with your own gun, sucks more when it's a girl:cry:

[Hobby Climber]

She said she did not want a revolver...

__________________________


OK then,


The only other pistol that I would suggest for her would be the Smith & Wesson Military & Police Compact .40 !

Below are the standard size Lt. and the compact Rt. ... Read up on the compact on line. This could be the one for her!

BTW, The pic makes it look bigger.

What do you think?


HC

[arborworks1]

I'm partial to the hammerless revolvers.

Seems like a no brainer to pull out of your pocket.

I would think she would be better off with a stub nose revolver, than a compact auto. What about a compact 22 auto. Not much knock down power, but well placed shots are whats up.

[lumberjack]

__________________________


OK then,


The only other pistol that I would suggest for her would be the Smith & Wesson Military & Police Compact .40 !

Below are the standard size Lt. and the compact Rt. ... Read up on the compact on line. This could be the one for her!

BTW, The pic makes it look bigger.

What do you think?


HC

I think that it's no smaller than a G26 that she presently doesn't like.

[Hobby Climber]

I think that it's no smaller than a G26 that she presently doesn't like.
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Perhaps LJ, but you do get a bit more stopping power with the .40!

She's just gonna have to go to the gun shop and see for herself what fits her best.

Boils down to what Dars wife needs as opposed to what she wants, IMHO.

The 442 pocket revolver with the enclosed hammer is by far the simplest & safest to use in a bad situation for someone with a smaller hand.

*** This gun (442) was designed for one purpose only...personel protection! Your not gonna be winning any target events with it. It will simply take the guess work out of Point & Shoot!

K.I.S.S. ;)


HC

[darkstar]

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Perhaps LJ, but you do get a bit more stopping power with the .40!

She's just gonna have to go to the gun shop and see for herself what fits her best.

.

The 442 pocket revolver with the enclosed hammer is by far the simplest & safest to use in a bad situation for someone with a smaller hand.

*** This gun (442) was designed for one purpose only...personel protection! Your not gonna be winning any target events with it. It will simply take the guess work out of Point & Shoot!

K.I.S.S. ;)


HC

"Boils down to what Dars wife needs as opposed to what she wants, IMHO"
Yeah that is a very valid point, problem is getting her to actually carry it.
She poped out to wally world and guess what ?
No glock in her purse it here at home doing nothing.
So i have to buy her a smaller gun since then she will always have something
With her accuracy she will likely change someobdys mind from messing with her if she needs to , i realize it will not have tons of knock down power but ittl be better than nothing.Which is what she is carriying at this very moment:?
Im sure three in the chest and one or two in the face , even small cal. will likely get umm to pick on somebody else.
:O
We are going to Benton shooting supply this week.

[Hobby Climber]

Going out on a limb here, (sorry couldn't resist) but what are here thoughts on Mace or Pepper Spray???

If you get her a "KeyChain" size unit that attaches to her keys, she'll have to take it with her when she takes the car!!!


I've taken training on the use of pepper spray & pepper foam through work & been sprayed. *** I gotta tell ya...I'd rather get my arm broken than to get another dose of that stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:violent3:

Makes for an interesting stocking stuffer,;)!!!

Just a thought is all,


HC

[Stumper]

The "stopping power" debate is fun and sells lots of periodicals but it is oveblown IMO. About half the time a .22 short stops things with one round-if a gun gets fired. Most of the times when guns save the day they do it without a shot. Nothing works immediately all the time....anyone who has seen much game shot knows that. If deer sometimes run 150 yards after being shot through the lungs with 150 grain expanding bullets launched at 3000fps (and they do) it becomes rather apparent that the reaction to a bullets impact is highly variable. The gun you have will always trump the one you can't access. ....and The .380 isn't such a punk cartridge as some would have us believe. Neither is the .22lr. I'm happy for all the folks who can carry full sized autos and revolvers. Likewise those who find "compact" versions of such guns in "real" defense calibers packable. Some people aren't willing to put up with the additional hassles of carrying firearms of such size and weight concealed. That is why arms like the Keltec P3aT and the Ruger LCP are so popular.

[Koa Man]

The "stopping power" debate is fun and sells lots of periodicals but it is oveblown IMO. About half the time a .22 short stops things with one round-if a gun gets fired..... The .380 isn't such a punk cartridge as some would have us believe. Neither is the .22lr.

I agree. As I said earlier, I wouldn't want to get shot by a pellet rifle.

If I had a choice in a gun fight, I would take a Ruger 10/22 with a 50 round clip over a 9mm handgun. (my favorite small handgun cartridge.)

I once watched a video of a .22 rimfire machine gun. It destroyed a CMU wall in a very short time.

[darkstar]

Hell yeah Stumper thats what ive been saying.
Comm on you get poped in the face by a .22 short you are likely gonna bail.
So now it all boils down to two factors.
Which small gun i get ...and which small gun i can obtain here is the catch ....
Befor christmas..
She already got a new Vacume cleaner...Now Guys that was not my idea...

[Hobby Climber]

Stumper & Koa-man,

I agree about the stopping power debate thing. I was just suggesting a postol I'm familure with since she indicated to Dark she didn't want a revolver.

Just about anything thats pointed at a bad guy & makes noise will likely change their mind! I was looking at this issue in a practical way with safety in mind. Hence my choice of arms above.

Regardles what she dicides on, she'll have to have it on her person for it to be effective in a situation!



Just going to toss something else out there to talk about.

How to carry a handgun:
-If its just laying in the bottom of a purse, its no good to you. The time it takes to fish around for it ...its to late. Speed & suprise are everything when chit hits the fan. Your actions must be swift and deliberate!
-What if the bag guy steels the purse??? He'll have taken the gun along with it!

There are many different typs of holsters on the market. You want one that can carry a gun and not tip off others its a holster.

A few friends of mine use a "Fanny Pack" holster and like it while working off duty or under cover. It not only is a holster but is a functioning fanny pack and they come in a number of designs to choose from.

You can pick one up on eBay for around $25!


HC
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[Skwerl]

Nope, not gonna wear a fag bag. No sir eee.

[pantheraba]

Nope, not gonna wear a fag bag. No sir eee.

Might be worth it...

[lumberjack]

Haha Gary!

Sqwerl, up here fag bags are man purse's. Over the shoulder type affairs.

[sawinredneck]

To Justin's suggestion, this is my "pocket gun". I love this little bugger!! Fits really nice in a back pocket!!

[Stumper]

Cool Andy (But the P3aT is virtually the same size and is a .380).
Fanny packs aren't so much Fag bags as flag bags-the ones made as holsters are a little bit distinctive for the .01 percent of the populaton who pay attention to such things. Of course many generic belly bags are easily adapted to the insertion of a bit of leather and a gun.

[sawinredneck]

I don't think I would want to shoot a .380 that small!!
I had, many years ago, the .25 version of the same gun, I was happy to part with it! The guns are good, but don't get me started on the .25acp cartridge!

[darkstar]

Those are all great points.
Yeah i dont want her , nor does she ,
want to carry , in the bottom of a purse.
Thats total BS.
We are working on several different belts/ holsters , to carry something smaller , but present it fast and accurate.
At this point im just going to buy what she can shoot the best in the range.

[Koa Man]

After further consideration of this stopping power thing, I wouldn't even want to get sprayed in the face, especially without eye protection, from my AEG airsoft full auto machine gun. It shoots those plastic BBs at 375 fps. It can easily take your eye out!

Of course I wouldn't want to have to rely on that as my defense weapon, but it sure is fun to shoot the big cockroaches with.

[darkstar]

G 26 looks great,
P38t or
Sig p232. or 230


My Vote is for G26

[darkstar]

Som Bitchhh.
i spent all day looking for a small light weight pistol.
first off all the local stores are completly out of dang near everything.
gunsamerica.com is an insane resource for finding most anything.
I could use some help here .
I settled for a Kel-Tec P-3AT Gray 380 ...cost me a bomb but it was the only one i could locate....
For me i almost bought a Springfield armory .45 acp , but this guy put up a check ... uhhh yeah a check about 15 mins befor i would have paid in full for it...
The little kel tecs are fairly hard to find , but i think my wife would deffinatly carry one since its only 7.5 ounces.
Im wanting to try out the kel tec 9 mill at 10.5 ounces but i seriously doubt ill buy one.

Main thing here is for me ,,, im finding buying a decent light weight gun isa alot harder for the time being because of the new President.
People are freaking out ..
oh well nuff said
I got one kel .380 on the way and im sure she will pratice ands carry it...
im bummed though at the lack of local availability ,so we can actually try sever or at least hold them.
Sux but at least i got something ....

[Paul B]

As for the gun talk, as I have said before, if I needed to pack a gun, much less TWO guns around to feel like I was safe, I would move. I would like to own firearms a bit less legally hounded than we are up here but daily packing of a pistol is not somethine I want to feel that I need to do.

[darkstar]

Sorry about the posting ...There i removed umm
I love it here in Chattanooga, and dont want to move, but there are alot of weirdos around ...its just not safe to Not carry

[Thor's Hammer]

its just not safe to Not carry

Thats just a state of mind Dude. And if it IS true, I would want to move.:(

[Stumper]

Ed, You have a valid point about state of mind/attitude. I refuse to live in fear. I wasn't afraid when I went about unarmed.... but when I made the decision to carry I also made a committment to do it. Hopefully it will never be needed..but if it ever is I want to be prepared to make a difference.

[squisher]

I would pack in a heartbeat if I was allowed to. The only people packing up here are cops and criminals.

[darkstar]

Whatever that retarted.
Danger is a state of mind.
Ha ,i bet you would have said that in a goose hole in Nam...thats a crack up
I just left a contractors bid ,where i had to walk in a very sketcy well known gang area and go behind a vacant home by myself.
Lots of black guys around all dressed in red.
This area is slowly being reclaimed however and the properties re habbed.
The homes all being bought up and restored.
Its pretty good buisness , but i would have been able to do the bid without my trusty 9mill.
I wear it in the open.
If we do the job its not so much of a problem as there are 5 of us there.
If the area was like the prodject and not a hostoric zone ,i wouldnt bother.I make great contacts with contractors who give me future buisness.

Danger is not a state of mind ,its for real.
Examples are abundant . Like the recent church shootings.
If somebody opens up i want to be prepared.
Anyhow thats just another derail .
Word .
My wife's kel tec .380 was shipped this morning.

[Paul B]

Whatever that retarted.
Danger is a state of mind.

Say what?

Danger is a state of being, fear is a state of mind.

[squisher]

I don't feel scared, but I feel fundamentally it should be my right to bear arms if I so choose. Of course that's just my opinion and obviously alot of other Canadian's don't agree with me. So the majority rules, not much I can do about it. Yes I'd like to pack a piece, no I'm not going to risk going to jail to do so.

[OTGBOSTON]

Lots of black guys around all dressed in red.


shouldn't be a problem, unless you're wearing blue......;):lol:

[sawinredneck]

Well Dark, a several years ago I would have agreed with you.
It seemed I was paranoid and got aprehensive in some bad areas myself.
I started packing, illeagaly, KS didn't have CCW at the time so I risked it.
Carrying a gun doesn't improve anything, it just compicates things. I had to draw it twice, fired it once. Thought I was going to have to draw and shoot eight gangbangers one night, and all I had was seven in the mag of the .380.
I've learned through time, to avoid those places and positions. If I pulled up at a Quiktrip and didn't like the element, I'd leave and find another one. If it looked like a bunch of thugs wanted to crash the party, I left. I had the means to defend myself, but not the want to do so. Nor did I care for all the repurcussions that would come from doing so.
Every now and again I have no choice but to go to some of these areas, and I take the precations I feel I need. I go in the daylight, I avoid conflict and treat the people with the respect they deseve when spoken to.
Carrying a gun taught me that it's better to be smarter than armed all the time.

[darkstar]

What about home carry , where you just have your guns at home?
Danger is for real , that is what i meant.
No way im not taking my 9 mill everwhere.
Two clips =31 shots.
Id just hate to be caught off gard and then not have it...

[OTGBOSTON]

I avoid conflict and treat the people with the respect they deseve when spoken to.

great advice Andy!

I am all over the Bean at all times of day and night, in all kinds of neighborhoods, being respectful and confident has saved my bacon more than once.

[Paul B]

No way im not taking my 9 mill everwhere.


does that mean there is
no way that you will not be taking it everywhere?
or is it
no way, I am not taking my 9mil everywhere?

I am assuming its the first statement.

[squisher]

great advice Andy!

I am all over the Bean at all times of day and night, in all kinds of neighborhoods, being respectful and confident has saved my bacon more than once.




Or you've just been lucky. Nothing wrong with being prepared imo.

[sawinredneck]

My guns are "handy" at home and I have gotten one out on more than one occasion! I was e-mailing with Jeff one night and heard gunshots down the street. A mental case went off the deep end and was shooting the place up hoping to get a shot off at the cops.
I don't go out to BFE and cut wood, fish, anything, without a gun on my hip or in my hand. There are times I will take one with me if I am going to a bad part of town. But I really try and avoid that.
YOU can change the danger more by what you do, when you do it, and how you do it, than you ever can with a gun.

[darkstar]

"YOU can change the danger more by what you do, when you do it, and how you do it, than you ever can with a gun"

Now i deffinatly agree with that statement...
I also could change the danger right this second should somebody try a home invasion on me haha.
I could run......
Or i could pop a couple rounds near them and watch them run


You guys are taking this thread way to far , but thats cool , i did to.
Anyhow ive bought and will soon have the Kel Tec .380
Man are they hard to find in Obamanation...
So anybody got anything to say about my final purchase decision ?

[sawinredneck]

At home, I can change a lot of things, quickly and that is another scenario.
What you are wanting is a small pocket/purse handgun. You don't buy these to put on the nightstand. There for a while I carried a Glock 19 and a Colt Anaconda 6" "Just in case!!!"
The night I wrecked my truck we had to tell the cops how to find all the guns before it got hauled off to the junkyard. They pulled out the G-19, the Colt and a Mac-11.
If you feel the need to have that much firepower, maybe you hadn't ought to be there in the first place!!!
Seriously, think about that.
I've "been there done that, seen it happen and got luckt to not have gone to jail or killed".
I am all for protecting yourself and loved ones, I have no problem with gun, owned more than I can recal and kept the ones that I liked.
But a gun isn't the "end all, beat" all solution. You really have to think if taking someones life is the only option and make the decision NOW!!!
As I said, I have had to make that call, I managed not to have to injure anyone, just the threat I was willing to ended it. It's not a decision I would care to make again.
Use your brain a bit, avoid some of these places, or move. The brain is the best weapon/tool you have!

I hope you like the gun.

[darkstar]

I would never shoot someone unless it was the absolute last choice.
I would run my ass of befor shooting.
Dont take me wrong there ,

Anyhow what do you all think about this http://www.gunsamerica.com/976983192/Guns-For-Sale/Gun-Auctions/Pistols/Smith-Wesson-Pistols-Autos/Polymer-Frame/S_W_SIGMA_380_AUTO.htm


I thought it looked pretty good ...

[darkstar]

And so does this one for very small light weight .380
any opinions?http://www.gunsamerica.com/908814467/Guns/Pistols/Smith-Wesson-Pistols-Autos/Polymer-Frame/Model_380_semi_auto.htm

[Thor's Hammer]

Ed, You have a valid point about state of mind/attitude. I refuse to live in fear. I wasn't afraid when I went about unarmed.... but when I made the decision to carry I also made a committment to do it. Hopefully it will never be needed..but if it ever is I want to be prepared to make a difference.

I am happy that you guys have the right to CCW, but I was just responding to Jerrys comment about it not being safe to not carry. I see that as living in a state of fear.
Hope you like the Kel-tec Jerry, I really like the range of collapsable carbines they make - http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/images/sub16d_pic01.jpg

[Stumper]

Congrats on the KT Jerry (and Mrs. Roberts). I have no opinion on the Sigma.

[Brimmstone]

I would recommend a SnakeSlayer myself. It's a two shot derringer chambered in .410 and .45 Long Colt. Very nasty little beast. Guaranteed to mess up someones day if they come at you.

[JamesTX]

I would recommend a SnakeSlayer myself. It's a two shot derringer chambered in .410 and .45 Long Colt. Very nasty little beast. Guaranteed to mess up someones day if they come at you.

I like those things, but a little pricey - especially comparing them to other pistols.

[Skwerl]

Sounds similar to The Judge by Taurus.

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[MasterBlaster]

I like that.

[Paul B]

Wow RJS, that is something I could see useful for PPE indeed. a 410 shotgun, short, rifled barrel? cool!

[Brimmstone]

I've used a Judge and don't like it as much as the Slayer. Yes the Slayer has less rounds but it's smaller by a large margin.

[Skwerl]

Here's a funny video on gun control. :lol:

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[MasterBlaster]

Oh hell yeah.

[lumberjack]

IMO, the Judge is ideal for small varmits but is ill suited for protection from 2 legged critters.

[JamesTX]

Wow RJS, that is something I could see useful for PPE indeed. a 410 shotgun, short, rifled barrel? cool!

Look at this then - http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php - supposedly legal.

[lumberjack]

It's entirely legal in most states, just fill out the paper work, pay a $5 transfer fee, and wait for ATF's approval.

Included in the price is the one time (for AOW) $200 registration fee.

[MasterBlaster]

Yes!

http://www.serbu.com/images/SS112608SM.jpg

[sawinredneck]

That is pretty close to the wifes gun Butch. A Mossberg 500 16 gauge, pistol grip 18" barrel.

[lumberjack]

Haha! They would take a picture with birdshot.

FWIW, the thing on the top barrel is a breech charge stand off. Breeching charges need the muzzle 3-4" from the target (hinge/lock). With that you just put the end of it against the door and squeeze.

FWIWX2 I'm nearly certain with a front pistol grip it becomes a short barreled shotgun. That means a $200 (instead of $5) tax any time it's transfered to a new owner.

[Paul B]

RJS, We love boston legal, I laughed my ass off when I first saw that episode. :D

RE: short barreled shotties, well, wish I could own one up here but alas... my license allows me shotguns, rifles and crossbows, no short barrel anything and no handguns..

[sotc]

.
No way im not taking my 9 mill everwhere.
Two clips =31 shots.
...

i just hate the odd number in there, i doubt that one extra bullet is really worth the risk 99.9% of the time

[MasterBlaster]

Imagine -being in a scenerio where you actually need 31 shots. :roll:

I'd move!

[Skwerl]

If the first 30 don't work then he has one left to use on himself. ;)

[TheTreeWiseMen]

If the first 30 don't work then he has one left to use on himself. ;)

What? Is there some zombie war going on that I'm unaware of? :lol:

[The Branch Doctor]

Here's a pistol grip .22 that's a fun little plinker. I love how the red dot scope has crosshairs to line up the laser with.;)

[MasterBlaster]

Here's a pistol grip I just made out of a xmas coke container, lol. It WILL blow you away!

[The Branch Doctor]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Stumper]

Butch, I realize that we are seeing a hand rolled tobacco cigarette there but couldn't that get you in trouble under the label of "paraphenalia"?

[Paul B]

Butch, I realize that we are seeing a hand rolled tobacco cigarette there but couldn't that get you in trouble under the label of "paraphenalia"?

Say what? I didnt think MB was afraid of spiders!?

[darkstar]

Stoned .
Buitch.
I was 10 miles out in east saquatchie valley today , and damn .
It was good to ride my 650 Honda Rincon .
It was nice to know i had my 9|
One of my bros Andy Voss just made SWAT.
We need umm in these hills...

[Paul B]

say what?

[darkstar]

U stoned to ?

[CurSedVoyce]

Did he take a hit between each sentence?????:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Stumper]

Mr. Roberts had an enjoyable day riding his quad. He felt good having a 9mm handgun along for peace of mind. He is proud of a friend who has gotten on the Special Weapons And Tactics team. Mr.Roberts thinks that his area needs more of such highly trained law enforcement personnel.

[darkstar]

Funny.
I dont puff any more dang it.
To old .

[darkstar]

Thanx stumper.
But he works down town.
Anyhow u said it best.
Andy told me he likes it when they run ....

[darkstar]

But ,i did have fun today...

[Che]

Geeze, Butch.....get rid of the picture.....please....

I had quite a start reading the paper online last night. Seems the son of one of our vets got a new Glock. 23 yo with his girlfriend....the girlfriend put her finger on the LOADED GUN TRIGGER (dumb, dumb, dumb) and shot the younger 21yo brother in the jaw.

This has bothered me all day....he is one of the sweetest, most respectful young men I've ever met. I don't know what damage was caused yet.

[darkstar]

That is horrible.
Sorry Che.
On christmas morning 1985 my friend got a new shot gun fpr a present ,and some how dropped it , loaded.
It blew the better part of his head off.
It was .... well words cant tell what it was...
He did , at least ,die instantly.

[Paul B]

U stoned to ?

nope, I don't do any drugs. Just can't decipher what you were saying in your last post, between your shitty spelling and incoherent punctuation I don't get it. Thought my polite request for clarification might get a reasonable answer, guess not.

[darkstar]

Paul

I think ,i can spell whatever.
Whatever...
You remind me of Ekka.
Why do you bother reading this thread and /or responding to it ?
I did alot of tree work in Brisbane.
You are from BC.
Seems most pekka heads come from the land of B's
Just dont read it or respond to it.
I was only asking for advice , you might want to look at the original question on page one.
Obviously you dont have any advice .So leave it alone.

Ps, your english aint all that
http://www.progresslandscaping.com/index.html
Paul does what ?
Geese, im just asking for small hand gun suggestions.

[CurSedVoyce]

Darkstar...
It really looks like you have developed a habit of hitting return after every thought. I developed that habit 15 years back with too much PM writing in chats etc.. I had to work awful hard on that particular habit to rectify my fingers behavior so that my sentences made more sense and seemed more literate. I still battle that and the chat punctuation and abbreviation. Sometimes I type like I sound... Because I laugh at myself and at my hill billy ways.. I use extra dots for pauses like in this paragraph to express those pauses, even though they are not proper punctuation.
When I slip up, I still appreciate however, what people criticize me for my wording and posts. I need to break those habits, and be more eloquent in my speech and writings. Constructive criticism :) My punctuation BTW SUX!... LOL
Bad habits die hard.
Don't feel you have to change .... as it is your style and that's all good. Just know some will find you hard to understand, accept it... Move on.. No worries ;)
Heck I would love to be as eloquent a writer as some in here. :D
Some of the vocabularies and sense of timing through punctuation simply amaze me compared to what I am accustomed to. :D
Hope you did not mind I ribbed you a little too ;) All in fun man ;)

[Paul B]

Paul

I think ,i can spell whatever.
Whatever...

take your anger and go to sleep dude. You consistently post in an awkward and somewhat unintelligible manner. I am not calling you out, just pointing out a fact. You wanna hate me and take pot shots at me, whatever, I dont give a shit. knock your silly self out.

FWIW I don't see what the point of putting my website URL has to do with anything. I instructed the webmaster what to put up and he didn't do what was asked, he has been reminded of his spelling and punctuation errors a couple of times, he is a good friend of mine and I haven't really chafed his hide about it, yet.

Read your own posts and explain how they make any sense.

[MasterBlaster]

I concur! http://www.thecomputermechanics.com/forums/images/smilies/124.gif

[darkstar]

Darkstar...
It really looks like you have developed a habit of hitting return after every thought. I developed that habit 15 years back with too much PM writing in chats etc.. I had to work awful hard on that particular habit to rectify my fingers behavior so that my sentences made more sense and seemed more literate. I still battle that and the chat punctuation and abbreviation. Sometimes I type like I sound... Because I laugh at myself and at my hill billy ways.. I use extra dots for pauses like in this paragraph to express those pauses, even though they are not proper punctuation.
When I slip up, I still appreciate however, what people criticize me for my wording and posts. I need to break those habits, and be more eloquent in my speech and writings. Constructive criticism :) My punctuation BTW SUX!... LOL
Bad habits die hard.
Don't feel you have to change .... as it is your style and that's all good. Just know some will find you hard to understand, accept it... Move on.. No worries ;)
Heck I would love to be as eloquent a writer as some in here. :D
Some of the vocabularies and sense of timing through punctuation simply amaze me compared to what I am accustomed to. :D
Hope you did not mind I ribbed you a little too ;) All in fun man ;)

I can respect that.
Bit of a hangover today.
I had never typed until i got on AS forum.Im terrible at grammer,especially after 2 litres of australian wine.
Whats his face is always ribbing me.

[Stumper]

This is in bad taste-and it amused me.
http://s437.photobucket.com/albums/qq96/sserdlihc/?action=view&current=PlaxicoBurressOnGunSafety_WMVV9.flv

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[darkstar]

Ha ha hahaha whaert did you come up with that ?:lol:
Stumper ... geeszus thats bad taste ? and really funny
Ive been shot but not by me , yet.:|:

[Skwerl]

Haahaahaa! :lol:

[Dave Shepard]

Haha!

[CurSedVoyce]

NOW That was friggen funny!:lol::lol::lol::lol: