Anyone need a chip truck??

[Jonseredbred]

I am (again) selling some stuff to make room.

This is a real nice 1982 International with a 345 gas V8 and auto transmission w/ 2 spd rear end.

It has 54,000 original miles. NO CDL

Good 9.00 x 20 radial tires.

Arbortech chip body and a heavy duty scissors hoist. Pintle hook, brake controller.

Its a very dependable and cost effective truck. Short turning radius I can get this truck in some places a pick up won't.

$5500.00 or BO

[Skwerl]

Does it come with the rebuilt 1250? ;)

[Jonseredbred]

Yup, but it also comes with a bigger price tag.

[Mr. Sir]

I need the box and the hydraulics. Are they in good shape? How about rust in the corners and floor? What size box is it?

[Old Monkey]

Does it come with the driver in your avatar?

[Jonseredbred]

Box is in excellent shape, no rust at all. It is (I think) 11' long.

Didn't you just sell a chip truck??

[Mr. Sir]

No, but I bought a flatbed that needs a dump box. Where are you?

[Jonseredbred]

In New York, and I want the chip box off of that Ford you have.

[Mr. Sir]

Why? Its rusted through in the corners and kinda beat up in the front top, and a little on the sides.

[Jonseredbred]

What thread where those pic's in??

[Mr. Sir]

Here ya go:

[Jonseredbred]

PM what you want for that body & boxes

[sotc]

ill vouch for those trucks, they haul heavy, turn tight and rarely break down. driveline brakes suck though

[Jonseredbred]

Driveline parking brake right??

[sotc]

yup :thumbdown:

[Dave Shepard]

yeah, thats the big downside to no air brakes. You can usually get away with turning the end of the handle to adjust them, someone was thinkin' when they designed that part.

[lumberjack]

My chip truck has the PITA drive line parking/service brake.

The main downside is it's electric/hydro, not a lever to pull. It needs to be overhauled/replaced, but finding parts for it (or finding parts to make it a manual activated brake) has proved difficult.

I have thought about measuring the thickness of the rear rotors and see if a 76-78 El Dorado's caliper would fit over it. Get some 14 bolt weld on caliper brackets, and presto, I've got a parking brake at each rear wheel.

I also thought about adding manual line locks on both axles, but that wouldn't pass inspection in some/most states (MS doesn't care).

I've also thought about adding an aftermarket driveline brake, either in the current location, or at the pinion.

[Al Smith]

I have thought about measuring the thickness of the rear rotors and see if a 76-78 El Dorado's caliper would fit over it. Get some 14 bolt weld on caliper brackets, and presto, I've got a parking brake at each rear wheel.

I missed this the first time through . A late 70's Lincoln also had a cam operated rear disc brake parking brake .

Another option is a "Micro brake " controller used on bucket and line trucks .Basically an electrically operated line lock that holds even with the engine stopped ,all 4 brakes too .

Edit: those brake contollers are Mico -not micro ,sorry

[Tucker943]

I've scratched my head a time or two about how good those driveline parking brakes are. One of my trucks is a 76 Loadstar 1800 with a 16 foot chip body on her. The brake is tight as ever but I cant help but toss a chock under the tire now and again. That old binder is a rockin truck though. old as ever but has 44,000 miles on it. It pulls 18 yards of chips with a chipper on it just fine for a 404 motor.

[Dave Shepard]

I love those old 'binders! My '68 1800 has only 6000 miles, and I put 2000 of them on it.

[lumberjack]

Al, holy sheep chit those are expensive!

I was thinking a pair of manual line locks, one to lock each axle.

Tucker, drum brakes are better for parking than disc brakes. The static shear load they can withstand is far greater than a disc brake. Discs are better for bringing the vehicle to a stop.

On the drive line the service brake takes advantage of the axle's mechanical advantage, multiplying it's shear resistance by that number and a little more.

[Dave Shepard]

Kids these days. They've got so much energy. Another decade and it would have just been "Drum brakes are better than discs".:P























:D

[lumberjack]

Depends on the application.

For a given surface area of the drum or disc, and a given technology (composition of the friction surfaces) a drum will never be as good as a disc for stopping and a disc will never be as good for keeping it from rotating.

[Dave Shepard]

Hook, line and sinker! :lol:

[MasterBlaster]

Hahaha.

[Mr. Sir]

Sheesh! Kids! :roll:

[sotc]

my dodge has both, 4 wheel disc but the parking brakes are little drums

[lumberjack]

The little drums are inside the rotors? That's fairly common now.

[sotc]

yup

[Wagnaw]

In one of those trucks... how hard would it be to put air brakes in to replace the hydrolic ones?

[Dave Shepard]

Huge PITA. You would need an air compressor, new axles, replace the brake pedal with a treadle valve, and untold wiring and plumbing hurdles.

[lumberjack]

Perhaps not new axles, but yeah, a huge PITA.

What's the advantage?

[Dave Shepard]

Yes new axles. Air brakes use an Scam system and external air cans. Air brakes are way better then juice brakes. If you loose air, you stop moving, and the parking brake feature is also many times better than hydraulic.

[Skwerl]

Yup, very few (if any) parts are interchangable so you'd basically be building the brake system from scratch.

[Al Smith]

Al, holy sheep chit those are expensive!

. Oh ya gotta remember when old Al the dumpster diver says something it seldom refers to new . Ya gotta find those treasures in bone yards for trucks .;) Then you negotiate the price .

On a similar subject ,one of my buds ,Ronnie B who owns a welding /repair shop needed a "soft start " electic motor starter for one of his overhead cranes .The best price he could find was over 800 bucks .Good old Al found a used one for 25 smackers . You have to be either resourcefull in this life or have a lot of money .I guess my life style has kind of forced me to be the former rather than the later .;)

[stehansen]

Air brakes use a different firewall on the cab also.

[lumberjack]

Oh ya gotta remember when old Al the dumpster diver says something it seldom refers to new . Ya gotta find those treasures in bone yards for trucks .;) Then you negotiate the price .

On a similar subject ,one of my buds ,Ronnie B who owns a welding /repair shop needed a "soft start " electic motor starter for one of his overhead cranes .The best price he could find was over 800 bucks .Good old Al found a used one for 25 smackers . You have to be either resourcefull in this life or have a lot of money .I guess my life style has kind of forced me to be the former rather than the later .;)


But what's the advantage over manual line locks? Neither are approved, rated, or intended to be or replace the parking brake.

[stehansen]

I have the driveline parking brake on my truck. The one that came with the Allison tranny is twice as big as the one that was on the manual transmission and actually works pretty well. When I farmed I had a Cat D-5B that had a line lock. You pulled a lever up and then stepped on the brakes and they stayed on. The only time we ever used it was if you were hooking up to something and didn't want the tractor to roll after you got off of it. Jonsared I have never had a truck with wheels on it like your chip truck has. How do they work for changing the tires and stuff?

[Dave Shepard]

Carl, I'm not sure I fully understand your last question, but I'll give it a shot. Air brakes have two systems involved to make them work. You have to have air to pull the brake springs off, these springs are only in axles that have Maxi cans, and never on the steer axle. Once the Maxis have been pulled off, in order to stop, you have to have air pressure to actuate the Scams. When the Maxi cans are applied, it is your parking brake, and it is as powerful as applying the service brakes. They are intended for parking. Air brake trailers will have Maxi's on one or both axles as well.

[Jonseredbred]

I have the driveline parking brake on my truck. The one that came with the Allison tranny is twice as big as the one that was on the manual transmission and actually works pretty well. When I farmed I had a Cat D-5B that had a line lock. You pulled a lever up and then stepped on the brakes and they stayed on. The only time we ever used it was if you were hooking up to something and didn't want the tractor to roll after you got off of it. Jonsared I have never had a truck with wheels on it like your chip truck has. How do they work for changing the tires and stuff?

The Dayton style wheels??? No bigger pain than Bud styles. Most of everything I have ever owned had Daytons so maybe I am used to them.

[sotc]

we called those hollywood rims. wedges hold them in place, no biggie but you really have to torque them in the crisscross pattern

[Jonseredbred]

Hollywoods??? I wonder where that name came from?

[lumberjack]

Carl, I'm not sure I fully understand your last question, but I'll give it a shot. Air brakes have two systems involved to make them work. You have to have air to pull the brake springs off, these springs are only in axles that have Maxi cans, and never on the steer axle. Once the Maxis have been pulled off, in order to stop, you have to have air pressure to actuate the Scams. When the Maxi cans are applied, it is your parking brake, and it is as powerful as applying the service brakes. They are intended for parking. Air brake trailers will have Maxi's on one or both axles as well.

Ha the reason you didn't understand is because I was asking Al the advantage to the Maco Line Lock (electric and $1200) vrs 2 manual line locks ($120).

I understand air brakes, dad was a truck driver for 41 years :). Ever seen an unsuspecting (although not uninformed) retard take a can apart? Me neither, I'm already de-assing the area. :D

[Dave Shepard]

Yeah, they'll tear your firckin' head off!

[Jonseredbred]

Carl, Mico makes a single lever 2 line line lock.

I use them on 1 tons/pickups to hold the truck down while grinding stumps.

I have had a few on larger trucks (rear axle only) and used them as parking brakes.

They are legally only a supplement but as long as your drive line parking brakes functions (even if it does not hold) it will pass DOT

[stehansen]

My cousin told me that there isn't anything fixable by the average truck mechanic in a can. You just get another one.

[Jonseredbred]

You can change the pancake rubbers, but the time to safety screw them is not worth it. Easier to just change the whole can.

[lumberjack]

..They are legally only a supplement but as long as your drive line parking brakes functions (even if it does not hold) it will pass DOT

Very interesting!

On my 1 ton the parking brake works dandy.

http://www.awdirect.com/dual-lock-mico-brake-lock-02640169/brake-locks-pto/?CID=BASE08
Still electric, but way cheaper than $1200.

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Jamar-Line-Lock-p-74.html
That's what I was thinking about, one for each axle.

[stehansen]

we called those hollywood rims. wedges hold them in place, no biggie but you really have to torque them in the crisscross pattern

That's what looks complicated to me. That maybe you could make the wheel wobble or something by not tightening them correctly.

[Jonseredbred]

Yes Steve you have to align them.

[sotc]

easy to see if its not right, you just have to double check it when your done.
carl do those just tie in at the master cylinder and mount in the cab? push your foot on the brake and then close the valve?

[Jonseredbred]

They tie in anywhere between the master cylinder and brake cylinder

[sotc]

so you pop the hood to activate?

[Jonseredbred]

no, its plumbed inside the cab, put your foot on the brake, flip the lever and the brakes stick on.

Its a "line lock" holds the pressure in the system.

[sotc]

looks to easy not to have, might put that in the new truck. thanks jonesey

[lumberjack]

Anywhere between the MC and the WC, normally plumbed into the cab for ease of access.

Push the brakes, push the button in, left off the brakes. The line is locked. To deactivate, simply press the pedal and when the pressure exceeds what it was set at, the button pops out and you're good to go.

FWIW we call those spoke wheels down here. They aren't a big deal, but I still prefer buds hands down.

[Dave Shepard]

Check on legality first. Pretty sure they are illegal here.

[lumberjack]

My cousin told me that there isn't anything fixable by the average truck mechanic in a can. You just get another one.

Yes indeed Steve, but that doesn't keep inquiring minds from taking the band off. Inside you'll find a hella strong spring that is just waiting to spring out worse than a Jack in the Box.

Dave, I can't immagine them being illegal, aside from not being legal parking brakes. Then again, there are a bunch of stupid laws on the books.

[Cobleskill]

My BIL almost got his thumb removed by a can.

A buddy of mine had a trailer disconnect in the parking lot right after hooking up. Somehow one of the cans got smashed. It had fallen off so he took it in the shop and said to the mechanics what do I do to this thing. The mechanic told him take that f-in thing outside and throw it as far as you can!

[allmarktree]

Is it still for sale? where in NY are you?

[Stumper]

Where did all these funny names for Chicago wheels come from?

[Jonseredbred]

Mark, I am near Rochester, NY