Time to Learn Something New

[RIVERRAT]

I have for some time made it a goal to try or attempt something new at least one time every 3 months. Whether it be a new skill or related to tree work.
While I have watched someone do it. My attempt at this some yrs. ago left me in a mental state somwhere between homicidal & slobbering,blubbering idiot. I have since recoverd.

I want to learn how to properly do a double braid eye splice!!

Money for tools is not an issue.
What do I need to help smooth out the bumps in my learning curve? Help, of any kind would be great

[Skwerl]

Double braid is one of the easiest braids, and quite rewarding once you get it. I use the New England Ropes instructions that are posted on their website. Some of my tools are fashioned from what I have available- a chainsaw file for a poker, needlenose pliers from the shop, coathanger wire for a fid/puller. Some good scissors and a roll of masking tape will also be necessary.

Good luck with it. :)

[stehansen]

I've looked at those instructions and I guess I'm too clueless to understand them. I think I need to watch it done in person or in a video.

[RIVERRAT]

That is about where I am at with it Steve!

[sotc]

buy the toss video

[RIVERRAT]

I will see if Sherril still offers it.

[Frans]

buy the toss video

Ditto.

Why go through Sherrill? contact Brian directly.
www.briontoss.com

Sometimes I am amazed at folks. Remember the internet? Think! :what:

Simply typing in Google reveals Brian Toss's web site. THE FIRST ONE ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE

For what it is worth, they are real nice folks. His video is very good, and he explains stuff clearly. He or his helpers will send you everything you need.

[NickfromWI]

And once you start doing it, start asking questions here. The double braid splice is VERY fun to do. I became obsessed with it a while back. I'm a nerd, I know....but I would splice a rope, chop it off, and do it again- refining the technique and what not.

I recommend starting on Sta-set, double esterlon, stable braid, or something flexible unlike 10mm beeline, blaze, or velocity.

For me, 3/8" is a good practice size to work on. It's more affordable than bigger ropes, but not TOO little.

I plan on doing a double braid splice vid- it's on my list. But don't wait for it. It will be a while. I have a goal of doing a vid per month.

love
nick

[Frans]

Or take a look at Nick's web site: www.splicesbynick.com

[Blinky]

Start with an easy rope like 9/16" stable braid... lifeline rope is can be frustrating because the jacket is so tight.

[vharrison]

Nick is going to be your go to guy!

[PCTREE]

OK so Im ahead of you by a few months Riverrat, started splicing back in the spring when I decided to COMPLETELY reinvent my climbing system. I think the best thing you could do is go back to the Ebay rope guy and pick up some of his short sections of Nystron for cheap and make some fliplines. I have found the Nystron easy to work with and is cheap (strong too). I just picked up some velocity from him to try and man that was some tough stuff to splice......

[lumberjack]

...I have a goal of doing a vid per month...

Which month should I expect the Tachyon splice to come out?

[RIVERRAT]

Soon as my rope arrives I will be back in here with pics & questions.

[Jman]

I did my first double braid last week and it happened to be blaze. If you follow the directions ( I used samson, either NE or yale has really messed up directions) its pretty easy. Good luck.

[NickfromWI]

Oh, speaking of directions- I find NER and Yale to be the hardest to follow. Samson makes AWESOME splicing directions.

The easiest double braid directions, in my eyes, are those made by Brion Toss

pdf warning!: http://www.briontoss.com/education/BTR_book.pdf

love
nick

[RIVERRAT]

It seems some directions leave out a step.

[Drella]

The easiest double braid directions, in my eyes, are those made by Brion Toss
http://www.briontoss.com/education/BTR_book.pdf
nick
love


Actually, I think it is you who has the best material on splicing. Just after watching your video, it made me feel as if I could do it too...8)

[sotc]

Actually, I think it is you who has the best material on splicing. Just after watching your video, it made me feel as if I could do it too...8)

nope, no way, much to hard for you













































:P

[NickfromWI]

nope, no way, much to hard for you


:P

Post of the day!!!!

Thanks for the compliment, Drella.

How's the splicing going, riverrat?

[RIVERRAT]

Post of the day!!!!

Thanks for the compliment, Drella.

How's the splicing going, riverrat? Still waiting on the delivery of my BUTT LOAD of rope:cry:

[RIVERRAT]

For 20 bucks these will work out great for learning to eye splice.

[RIVERRAT]

Whats a good pair of scissors? Where do I get um?

[MasterBlaster]

Wal mart.

[Frans]

do you have a cutlery store near you? Thats a great place to start looking for some scissors. I have not had good luck at crafts stores or even sewing stores.

going in to the cutlery store means you can pick up the scissors and get a feel for them. Even bring in a hank of rope and challenge the salesperson!

I like the small blade, big finger holes type of scissors. You can get them for real cheap and they work well. Or you can spend alot of money.

[CurSedVoyce]

Poultry Shears for professional chefs... Sharp as all get out and a clean cut... Not cheap though...
Try Smart and Final...
signed....
Ex Chef Stephen

[NickfromWI]

I recommend all metal scissors. The best I've used are the curved-bladed ones sold for pruning shears, made by ARS. I've tried to find them lately and I can't find a link for the life of me. They used to be sold in the arb catalogs, but I don't see them any more.

Failing that, the best I've seen at craft stores are made by the Gingher company. Something along the lines of:

http://www.gingher.com/products/g_124.jpg

Fiskars makes a similar pair of all stainless scissors. I recommend not getting something with plastic handles. And this might be an over statement, but if it costs less than $5, don't buy it. I've bought a bunch of arts and crafts level scissors at all the departments stores and on all of them you can feel them bend under the pressure of cutting through a rope. You sorta have to scissor-saw at the rope to get all the way through. A good pair of rope scissors should make it all the way through a 1/2" rope cleanly in one pass.

Does anyone have a website for the ARS company?

love
nick

[Frans]

I would add that cutting through a rope is only a part of the job of splicing scissors.
Cutting the taper is the greater job of scissors. I use two, one for big cutting and another smaller one of doing the taper

[NickfromWI]

Good point, Frans. I am fortunate that the rose clipping scissors are great at both. If that wasn't an option, I'd also buy a big and small pair of scissors.

Riverrat, did you buy the rope in all those little pieces, or did you chop it when you got it?

love
nick

[Frans]

Of course you MUST have this. It is an essential part of any good splicers arsenal

[fallguy]

Another source for a good heavy duty scissors is a electric supply house that sells Klein Tools. They make one that works on Kevlar fibers. I use it when splicing fiber optic cables. It well work great for cutting on rope.

[NickfromWI]

Fallguy, which ones are you talking about? Can you post a pic or a link?

[RIVERRAT]

:what:
Wal mart.

[RIVERRAT]

Of course you MUST have this. It is an essential part of any good splicers arsenal

:D yer ripping my pants here Frans:lol:

[MasterBlaster]

:what:

You don't believe me?

[RIVERRAT]

Riverrat, did you buy the rope in all those little pieces, or did you chop it when you got it?


Nick, that's the same as asking if I'm stupid....or shop at Walmart {sorry Butch itwasajoke:D}

No Nick, you doofus, it was offered like that & I ordered it. Fit my needs for the learnen you are going to help me with :D

[Frans]

I've tried the Klein scissors. They work alot like those scissors that cut pennies. But fold a bit when cutting rope fibers. But they are real nice scissors.
you can find them at the Buckinham's web site, I think.

[RIVERRAT]

You don't believe me?
Thought you where joking Butch.

Tell you what, I have to go there tomorrow I will check to see what type of scissors they have.....& THANKS Frans!

[NickfromWI]

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/31/19/60/66/0031196066430_215X215.jpg

These are avaialable at walmart's website http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5026402

[RIVERRAT]

Well Nick they LOOK like they would work.

[NickfromWI]

are these...

http://www.buckinghammfg.com/images/products/72/7075.jpg

the buckingham one's you're talking about?

[MasterBlaster]

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/31/19/60/66/0031196066430_215X215.jpg

These are avaialable at walmart's website http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5026402

They have better scissors than that.

[mpapuga]

Here is a link to the ARS scissors thru GrowTech.
http://www.growtech.com/scissors.htm

Mark

[NickfromWI]

Mark, thanks for posting that. I've been looking all over for those. The one's I have now I actually bought at Aerial Equipment in 2001 and they're still kicking!!!

love
nick

[fallguy]

Sorry I have not got back to you sooner Nick been out of town. I well get the number off them when get back to work on Tuesday. I looked on Klein's web site but of course there about 20 different scissors on there and I can't pick the exact ones I have. They came in a fiber optic splicing kit that I got for work.

[fallguy]

Here is the number off the scissors that I have. Klein 2100-7 they have a very fine toothed serrated edge that grabs the fibers and holds them so they are easily cut. Sorry it took so long to get the information.

[sotc]

what class is stable braid? looking through the sampson website and cant figure which is what

[NickfromWI]

Stable braid is class 1 double braid. Polyester cover and polyester core.

Are you giving the splice a shot?

If you're doing used rope, wash it first.

Let us know if you have any questions.

love
nick

[sotc]

brand new, i have a roll of 5/8 in the shop and need a new line figure i ought to splice it first. thanks

[MasterBlaster]

Here is a link to the ARS scissors thru GrowTech.
http://www.growtech.com/scissors.htm

Mark


Hey Mark, don't be shy to post, now. For the most part, we don't bite.

[lumberjack]

8 months later?

[MasterBlaster]

8 months later what?

[lumberjack]

He made that post 8 months ago, was he browsing this thread again when you made your post or otherwise caught your eye?

[MasterBlaster]

I saw him online and quoted his last post in an effort to draw him out. It didn't work.

[Old Monkey]

I checked this to see if someone had heard anything about Jeff. I wonder if that boy is going to get out anytime soon?

[Skwerl]

According to his profile page he was online here 2 weeks ago. Maybe he's just not back into 'forum posting' mode yet.

[MasterBlaster]

Yea, he shot me a pm that didn't say much of nothing. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have much internet access these daze.

[rumination]

What happened to Jeff? I hope he's doing alright.

[Old Monkey]

We don't know exactly but presume there was some jail time involved. Hopefully he can get things together and pop in and say hi sometime.

[rumination]

That's a bummer to hear about. I hope he's doing ok.

[woodworkingboy]

Maybe we could start a thread for him, but it would probably need to be x-rated. Hope he gets out soon.

[MasterBlaster]

The less said about it, the better.