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[RIVERRAT]

Where is the best price to be found on this saw?
Who is best at amping one out?

[wiley_p]

RR, that is such a good saw already that all is needed is to open the muffler up. I have two, even though I am a die hard fan of Stihl in the 70cc and up group. With a ported muffler the saw really lights up, whether in hard or soft wood. For having just one saw in the truck it stands tall.

[Skwerl]

As of the beginning of the year, Husky isn't allowing online sales any more. There were a few big online retailers putting a big hurt on all the local dealers.

As a side note, you may want to check out the Univent at Bailey's. It sure looks a lot like the 372 except it has the 75cc jug for a bit more grunt. You have to call them for a price. ;)

As far as builders, I don't know any more. Dan Henry pretty much blew it several years ago although I don't know if he's got his act back together yet or not. Ed seems to specialize in making high rpm cookie cutters that don't seem to have as much torque as I'd like (and he takes forever to return them). I had one saw from Big Dave Neiger up in Minnesota that is a good work saw. But then again, it was 2 months door to door to get a few hour's work done.

[RIVERRAT]

Thanks fellas!!
This is going to be my next saw.

[sawinredneck]

Beter get one while you can Jeff! They have discontinued them three times already, they are really pushing the 575xp becase it's cleaner.
Next time they pull them may be the last!

[RIVERRAT]

http://baileysinc.com/itemdetail.asp?item=UF%20375W&catID=329

You are right Brian. Thanks for the info

[Jonseredbred]

I would suggest the Jonsered 2171. Same saw as 372 and Jonsered is not going to discontinue it.

Jonsered has a bigger market for large saws and uses its EPA credits to keep them imported here. It seems Husqvarna is using its EPA credits in the smaller displacement classes.

[RIVERRAT]

What do they sell for in that flavor?

[Al Smith]

As far as builders, I don't know any more. Dan Henry pretty much blew it several years ago although I don't know if he's got his act back together yet or not. Ed seems to specialize in making high rpm cookie cutters that don't seem to have as much torque as I'd like (and he takes forever to return them). I had one saw from Big Dave Neiger up in Minnesota that is a good work saw. But then again, it was 2 months door to door to get a few hour's work done. I'm not being critical of any one of them .I think however a few got caught up in making cookie cutter types because of a few loud mouths and let the good old work saws with grunt go by the wayside .I've ran saws by all those named builders and most had some grunt but a few were prima Donna GTG saws that you had to baby .You don't want or need that on a worksaw.It would drive you nuts or at least it would me .

[RIVERRAT]

Agreed Al!

[sotc]

ive never ran a real hotrod:(

[BostonBull]

Timberwolf builds the strongest RELIABLE worksaw I have ever run......not counting cookie cutter specials.

[Skwerl]

It's a shame that the strongest two saws I own are the first two Huskys I got from Dan Henry. My 6 year old 346 has blown away every other 3 cube saw I've run, including 5 other 346's by 3 different builders. My 372 from Danny was an old, worn out production saw that he rebuilt from parts saws. It's now 12 years old and wears a 28" bar and an 8 pin sprocket. It pulls as hard as my EHP372 with a 24" bar and 7 pin sprocket.

Unfortunately my later experiences with Dan weren't as good. I ended up with a couple duds that I sold at a substantial loss (I lost $300-$400 per saw). Although if there were a way for him to guarantee results comparable to my first two PP saws, I'd go back to him in a minute.

[Al Smith]

ive never ran a real hotrod:( You most likely will get the chance some day . I've ran a few ,never built any real screamers though myself ,just a cut above the average good runner which tickles me just as well .:)

Some people cut 8 by 8's and on occasion the real stuff . I on the other hand cut the stuff with bark on it and on rare occasion the square stuff .Therein lies the difference .

[Mr. Sir]

Yea, Dan could make a saw get up and go. I loved that little Jonsered 2152 that I got from him.

[sawinredneck]

I LOVE the 046BB that Freakingstang built for me!!!
I was never happy at all with the 346, even after tearing it down and porting it three times!! The new owner LOVES it, says it just a hair under his EHP built saw. Different strokes I guess?
I am VERY happy with the way my portedHusky 350 came out, lots of grunt and a little more RPM. I think it's a much nicer work saw than the 346.

[Skwerl]

Andy, the EHP346 isn't much of a comparison. I just sold mine that I had built this Spring.

[Tucker943]

Guys...care to tell me what "EHP" means?

[Skwerl]

Ed Heard Performance. His forum is www.chainsawperformance.com although he hasn't been online in a couple weeks.

[sawinredneck]

Andy, the EHP346 isn't much of a comparison. I just sold mine that I had built this Spring.

Not sure if that makes feel better, or worse!

[Koa Man]

I have 2 saws that Dan Henry built several years ago and they both kick ass. One is a 346XP and the other is a 372XP. The 346 is starting to slow down but the 372 runs as strong as ever.

[Blinky]

Off topic but I used a 3120 with a 48" bar yesterday... it cut pretty good.8)

[Al Smith]

Timberwolf builds the strongest RELIABLE worksaw I have ever run......not counting cookie cutter specials. Brian W .aka Timberwolf is a mechanical genius and I say that with most high esteem . Not arogant ,not pushy just knows his stuff like very few others .

I've never seen his work but have heard nothing but good reports .I don't think he builds many if any saws for many outside of his family though .

Now some people have said that I myself am somewhat of a mechanical guru but I'll tell you this .This young gent who is half my age has most likely already forgotten twice as much as I have ever known in my entire life .

Keep an eye on this one ,he will go far .:)

[BostonBull]

Brian W .aka Timberwolf is a mechanical genius and I say that with most high esteem . Not arogant ,not pushy just knows his stuff like very few others .

I've never seen his work but have heard nothing but good reports .I don't think he builds many if any saws for many outside of his family though .

Now some people have said that I myself am somewhat of a mechanical guru but I'll tell you this .This young gent who is half my age has most likely already forgotten twice as much as I have ever known in my entire life .

Keep an eye on this one ,he will go far .:)

I must be family then.........

[hornett22]

i run all my 372s stock.muffler isn't ported.7 pin sprocket.i don't have time to screw with built saws.not saying i wouldn't like them but i don't prefer the extra noise.mine run fine everyday.

[NeTree]

Don't know whatever happened to Greffard, but I still have a Greffardized 394 work saw that pulls 3 feet of chain through hardwood like it ain't there.

[Skwerl]

Dennis fell out of favor when he fell into a booze bottle and didn't build or return a bunch of customer's saws. He did, however, keep their money.

Years ago when I visited Dan Nelson in Atlanta (before he turned to the Dark Side), I had the opportunity to run his Greffardized 3120. It was brand new and on its first tank of gas. In the middle of the second cut it spun the flywheel key.

[woodworkingboy]

Koa man, not exactly sure what you mean by "slow down" (losing torque and rpms in the cut?), but you might want to do a tear down on that 346 to remove carbon buildup. A "couple of years" is plenty long enough for carbon to detract from performance.
Maybe the rings are worn, a ported saw can be hard on rings if the port shape and edges aren't rounded enough.

Timberwolf was my saw mod mentor, taught me how to modify a 359.
His saws are awesome.

[Magnus]

I have had some dealings with Dennis and he helped me out and was better to communicate with than many others I had deals with.
Don't know much, but he did good the deal we did.

At the time I was new on internet and did not understand much, but the crap said on AS I don't give much for.

I think it was his turn in the sling that time...

[thattreeguy]

the new 372 xpw is lighter and has more pony power than the older version, bailey has the best $ but ya gotta buy the bar and chain seperate, mines turned up just a fuzz and it screams, especialy with a swipe off the rakers...it is a sweet saw

[thattreeguy]

Off topic but I used a 3120 with a 48" bar yesterday... it cut pretty good.8)

i was thinking of buying one to turn a 42" isnt it a heavy saw?

[GASoline71]

Yes it is... It's like a small dirtbike with a bar.

Gary

[rbtree]

the new 372 xpw is lighter and has more pony power than the older version, bailey has the best $ but ya gotta buy the bar and chain seperate, mines turned up just a fuzz and it screams, especialy with a swipe off the rakers...it is a sweet saw

I had 2 XPW's till my ehp one was stolen....the weight is unchanged....and the power is no better either (75 vs 71 cc, but less aggressive port timing etc, till it's wood ported, then it comes alive.

main weight variations are based on how the saw is set up. West coast version with big dogs and full wrap adds a good pound.....

The Univent sold by Bailey's has been woods ported, so, depending on how much work has been done, could be putting out between 6.5 and 7.5 horsepower.

[Thor's Hammer]

So do you rate the univent Rog?

[fallguy]

They are advertising a sale on Jonsered saws in the newspapers in the Minneapolis area. Bring in any trade in and get up 150.00 dollars off. That makes the CS 2171 Turbo 644.95. I have a E-lectric chain saw that inherited that I think I may have just found a use for.

[GASoline71]

The Jonsereds 2172 is the same saw as the Husqvarna 372XP. Just some color and cosmetic differences.

Gary

[Treeslayer]

I bought a 3120PP from dan henry after isabel a few years ago, pure evil. over 12 hp. and I put a 32" on it. cuts like a mofo.

[Al Smith]

Out of respect for the many builders ,both pro and amatuer ,they all seem to fall out of favor for one reason or another .Some is justified while often times it is not .

To further elaborate and repeat I've ran saws done by a number of builders but in a GTG environment which is entirely different than under actual working conditions .

It's really not that hard to build up a good working type saw but to build an exceptional one does take some talent . I can't think of one builder that hasn't screwed up a time or two if they admit it but a majority of them will rectify the problem if given a chance .

I only do my own so if I screw up ,which I do ,the only one I pizz off is myself ;)

[rbtree]

True enough, Al....Dennis Greffradized 4 saws for me....all ran well.....before he went loco....my 3120's compression dropped, so we lightly honed it after reringing it...it's back to about where it was..which was surely about 13 hp....

Dan Henry did 2.....the 7900 is just OK......hard to start when warm...and loses to a well built 372.

Ed Heard did a bunch...all were good...save the latest, a 75 cc 372 that had low compression and was underwhelming...it was stolen as was my ehp 357 that was a screamer for its size. Another 372 he did was smashed by my (then) motley disfunctional crew......it was super strong.

Ed was a slacker with my 5100 and 346 mufflers, all he did was add two holes, which made them triple ported and overly loud, in the case of the 346 which is an empty can.....both run like bats outta hell, though!

Gonna get a 346NE, have it built, as well as one of my 7901's and my last remaining unstolen/broken 372/75......looking for a builder...have a line on a coupla PNW guys who are low key, or don't build a lot of saws....

[Al Smith]

I'm not sure what happens to some of these guys ,again no disrespect intended .It could be that they get overwhelmed with work ,have health problem ,get into some bad habits or any other number of things .

Just for example in my own little life in addition to maybe a dozen of my own saws I have at least that many awaiting repairs of one sort or another belonging to others .Well shucks unfortunately I have more to do than just work on saws although it's one of my favorite past times but there are priorities in life .

Having said that though if a person does something as a professional then things should be handled in a professional manner ,saws or anything else .

If I repaired electrical components on automated machinery in a lack-a- daisical manner and untimely I would be looking for another job .This one I have is too good to screw it up .This is just my life ,I can't speak for others nor am I down talking anybody

[woodworkingboy]

It seems that anyone who builds a woods saw, and after it's finished the compression is lower than stock, well, they're in the wrong business.

Imho, following some basics and staying conservative, will give good to great performance improvement without heading off into the unknown and taking risks.

[Al Smith]

Well,again on that subject I personally think a few builders have gotten carried away building cookie cutters . Too much pressure from this "he said she said " nonsense that a few people have interjected on internet forums .

If for example you high port a saw ,it's going to loose some compression simpley because you are cutting the exhaust loose too high on the power stroke . The thing will gain rpm's which most think you need but more often loose some lugging power which you don't need on a working type saw .

Nothing more annoying to me than a saw that has no grunt which you must baby to use . Of course I'm old school from an era when saws had grunt like a Clydesdale horse .Old habits die hard they tell me .;)

[hornett22]

it came with a 28" bar with skip chain.i finally fired it up today for the first time.i was going to drain the fuel and leave it in the box for a few years but i couldn't control myself.
this thing flat rips.went through 26-30" red oak rounds like nothing.ripped them in half just as easily.this was all on the half tank from the dealer for the initial start up and test they performed.i can't wait until it breaks in.i love the big dogs but i may have to shit can the full wrap handle. the dealer told me they tried to order another one after firing up mine but they are now back ordered.glad i got it when i did.paid $750 plus tax.

if you can get one,i would highly recommend you get moving on it.i like it better than the 7900 i sold my buddy.hell,'m even going to leave the 28" B&C on it.

[jacob j.]

Don't know whatever happened to Greffard, but I still have a Greffardized 394 work saw that pulls 3 feet of chain through hardwood like it ain't there.


I got the chance to run a 394 that Dennis built for a friend of mine in the late 90's on a hazard tree job on the Wind River Ranger District in SW Washington, and then later I tore it down for a new piston and rings. The porting in that saw was the finest I've ever seen, and I've worked on/rebuilt saws from 14 different builders- including Walker's, Dave N., EHP, and Phil's Saw Shop.

The transfer ports were what stood out. The lower transfers were conservative and the upper transfers were shaped like the end of a P.A. horn, and the finish was perfect. That 394 regularly out-cut a muffler-modded 084 on the same job, both running 42" bars and full-skip 3/8".


I LOVE the 046BB that Freakingstang built for me!!!

Steve is a highly talented engine builder. I wouldn't hesitate to pay him to build me a worksaw.


Well,again on that subject I personally think a few builders have gotten carried away building cookie cutters . Too much pressure from this "he said she said " nonsense that a few people have interjected on internet forums .

That's pretty much it Al. Ego clashes and chest beating always serve to lower the quality of any sport or industry, regardless of the nature of it.

Another factor is that I think many talented builders started off doing saws for the fun of it, then they took on a huge workload and it was no longer fun- in fact it became misery and drudge. Combine that with the fact that many mechanics aren't the best businessmen and you have the recipe for a melt-down.


Thanks fellas!!
This is going to be my next saw.

Rick, you might consider asking Tree Sling'r. He's not doing a big volume of saws but he is building high-quality work saws and he's fast.

[Al Smith]

I LOVE the 046BB that Freakingstang built for me!!!
I first met Freak a couple of years ago at a GTG at Woodsjunkeys in eastern Ohio . He really don't know much at the time but he hung in there . He hung around and tipped few brews with myself ,Gyp ,big Dave Cliff Helsel and a few more . He at one time had a thing for hopped up Camaros I guess had some rather fast ones .Also a good golfer of all things .

As far as building hot saws ,nobody is born with the ability ,you have to earn it .Everybody in this life one way or another pays their dues .

[hornett22]

I first met Freak a couple of years ago at a GTG at Woodsjunkeys in eastern Ohio . He really don't know much at the time but he hung in there . He hung around and tipped few brews with myself ,Gyp ,big Dave Cliff Helsel and a few more . He at one time had a thing for hopped up Camaros I guess had some rather fast ones .Also a good golfer of all things .

As far as building hot saws ,nobody is born with the ability ,you have to earn it .Everybody in this life one way or another pays their dues .

i never met Freak but i always had respectful dealings with him before i got banned a few times.:lol:

[woodsjunkie]

You better make sure ole Steve (freakinstang) actually built the saws he had.

[rbtree]

it came with a 28" bar with skip chain.i finally fired it up today for the first time.i was going to drain the fuel and leave it in the box for a few years but i couldn't control myself.
this thing flat rips.went through 26-30" red oak rounds like nothing.ripped them in half just as easily.this was all on the half tank from the dealer for the initial start up and test they performed.i can't wait until it breaks in.i love the big dogs but i may have to shit can the full wrap handle. the dealer told me they tried to order another one after firing up mine but they are now back ordered.glad i got it when i did.paid $750 plus tax.

if you can get one,i would highly recommend you get moving on it.i like it better than the 7900 i sold my buddy.hell,'m even going to leave the 28" B&C on it.


hmmm.

I only have one 372XPW left after my ehp one was stolen. It is bone stock, and is a dog, compared to my 6401 Makita that is now a 7901..... also bone stock. I know that it will wake up with aported muffler (been too lazy to install the one from a smashed 372-the used on that Ed ported that was the fastest 372 I've run)

[Al Smith]

Speaking of EHP ,I don't have a clue what's going on with him or that website .:? Anybody that does is not making it public knowledge either .

[SawTroll]

Speaking of EHP ,I don't have a clue what's going on with him or that website .:? Anybody that does is not making it public knowledge either .

I have asked a bit around, but found no answers. Jokers is reported "missing" on other web-forums as well......:?

[hornett22]

hmmm.

I only have one 372XPW left after my ehp one was stolen. It is bone stock, and is a dog, compared to my 6401 Makita that is now a 7901..... also bone stock. I know that it will wake up with aported muffler (been too lazy to install the one from a smashed 372-the used on that Ed ported that was the fastest 372 I've run)

mine is an 08 model.i've never run a built saw so i have no idea to compare with.all i know is my regular 372s rip and this one rips more with a 28"

[Cut4fun]

You better make sure ole Steve (freakinstang) actually built the saws he had.

Isnt that the truth ;) The only fast saws I know that Steve had were bought from woodsjunkie and then sold later on and went up north.

[jacob j.]

I have asked a bit around, but found no answers. Jokers is reported "missing" on other web-forums as well......:?

Last time I talked to Russ, he was working 60-70 hour weeks at the plant...

[sawinredneck]

Isnt that the truth ;) The only fast saws I know that Steve had were bought from woodsjunkie and then sold later on and went up north.

Since I even got to watch, with pictures, as it was built, I think he built it.

Not sure what this is on about, he was just playing around, he didn't hurt anybodies buissnes and was trying to learn.

I've heard Ed was having a shoulder problem?

[Al Smith]

I don't know what happened to Ed but he was having some problems last I heard .

Nobody has really said where that forum went to either but the traffic was almost nil for a few months prior to it's disapperance .

I do have thoughts on the matter but I won't speculate or elaborate on them .

[Newfie]

I don't know what happened to Ed but he was having some problems last I heard .

Nobody has really said where that forum went to either but the traffic was almost nil for a few months prior to it's disapperance .

I do have thoughts on the matter but I won't speculate or elaborate on them .

Oh come on Al you tease. Make my day and blame it on Dan or Darin. Brian hasn't had a reason to freak yet today.:D;)

[Al Smith]

It wasn't Brian .I really don't know what happened and anything I would say would be just speculation my part .

I didn't really participate much months prior to it's absence from the net .

Geeze I even rattled a few cages when I wasn't even trying to with some of them . Pshaw if I'd have put my mind to it I could have really sent a few into orbit .:lol: I'll remember that fact for future reference should the occasion arise in the future and my ornery streak gets the best of me .:|:

[Cut4fun]

Since I even got to watch, with pictures, as it was built, I think he built it.



We were talking the really fast cookie cutter types that could also be used as a work saw :D, Huskys.

Not talking about a BB046 massaged for a work saw :|:.

[sawinredneck]

We were talking the really fast cookie cutter types that could also be used as a work saw :D, Huskys.

Not talking about a BB046 massaged for a work saw :|:.

Well, as I don't know you from Adam, and I have Freaks number on speed dial on my cell phone, and I have had the pleasure of talking to him numerous times, I consider him a friend.
The deal he offered me on that saw, stock or modded, was a steal in any ones eyes. He makes more than enough with his full time job, and hardly has time for much else anymore.
He found it interesting and wanted to learn, plain and simple. He may very well have bought saws from someone, tore them down, as this is a "big secret club" in some circles, and sold them. But I doubt they wer sold as "his work" to the purchaser.
Steve is a stand up guy, I won't berate him, nor will I stand by and watch someone else. It's not my style.

[Skwerl]

Actually Steve bought a 346 from me that had been ported by Dozer Dan. I broke part of the casting resulting in a saw that ran perfectly but wasn't functional. He used that saw and a second parts saw to build one. I'm sure he learned some stuff when he took it apart.

[sawinredneck]

Actually Steve bought a 346 from me that had been ported by Dozer Dan. I broke part of the casting resulting in a saw that ran perfectly but wasn't functional. He used that saw and a second parts saw to build one. I'm sure he learned some stuff when he took it apart.

And that is what you have to do Brian! Most think this is "rocket science" and don't care to share any information about it.
Steve was nothing but open when building my 046, and was nothing but helpfull with my 346xp project saw.
I think that is why the "builders" don't care for him, he was smart enough to figure it out, and smart enough to explain it to "simpletons" like myself so we could do it.
I have a lot of respect for him and am happy to cal him a freind.
Same as you, you and I dissagree a lot, but I am honored to have known you and would go to bat for you as well.

[Al Smith]

The term "builder " is a misnomer .Lots of people build up saws .Some good ,some not as good .

You get a pizzen match going because one saw is 2 tenths of a sec faster than the other guys cutting an 8 by 8 and everybody on some sites gets in the fray .First of all just how many 8 by 8's have you seen growing in the woods ?

What I can testify to is the fact I've ran many many saws .Some by known builders some by unknowns .Half the time an unknowns may actually outcut a so called experts .How they do in the woods I have not a clue .

Most true builders are reluctant to trash or bad mouth anothers work .This shows respect because anybody can screw up .More times than not with the GTG crowd it's like a Ford, Chevy thing and I take it just as that ,nonsense .