Palm ID?

[Bodean]

Any one know what sps palm this is?

I looked at calphoto.com but couldn't find a match.
Forgive the sepia.

[Skwerl]

Chinese fan palm? Had one at the house when I was a kid, the trunk wasn't that fat though. You can see it on the left side of this picture. It has a trunk similar to a roebelini (sp).

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/RockyJSquirrel/PA040011edit.jpg

[Bodean]

Here's a better picture.

I looked at google images with chinese fan palm, I dunno if they're the same.

maybe

[Skwerl]

oops, looks like I was mistaken. How about european fan palm?
http://www.floridata.com/ref/C/cham_hum.cfm

http://www.floridata.com/ref/C/images/cham_hu2.jpg

[Banned by Squirrels]

I H8 palms. There are so many varieties upon varieties. Looks like the one in your original pic had thin string like ends on the leaves no?

[NickfromWI]

Here I think that's a windmill palm... Trachycarpus fortunei...i think

[stehansen]

Here I think that's a windmill palm... Trachycarpus fortunei...i think

That's what I thought it was.

[NickfromWI]

That particular one does better in cooler climates. It is also the first palm I ever climbed! I remember that it was this enough that I had to be careful how I shifted my weight up top!

Here's a pic from a SUPER talk one I climbed a couple years ago. In LA this species doesn't often go over 15 or 20 feet. This one was almost 30.

I'm no palm expert, though. I've flipped through some palm id books and I'm not sure i'd ever be able to keep them all straight. Every palm has 20 others that look almost just like it.

love
nick

[stehansen]

I've done a few of those, the frond stalks are extremely hard.

[sawinredneck]

Cut it down and figure it out then:D

[Paul B]

I guessed windmill too, the only couple of hardy-ish palms around here are windmill and fan palm. the rest are too sketchy to try to over winter.

[vharrison]

Cut it down and figure it out then:D

That is what Ekkka would do. :what: A close up of the trunk might help, I will get John to look at it. I assume the palm is in Cali?

[Bodean]

Yes, it is in California.

[vharrison]

John thinks it is some type of hybrid Washingtonia. I thought it was a washy also, but the trunk just did not ring true for me. Can you get a close up of the trunk?

[Skwerl]

Gigi, I think Nick and Steve are correct. The windmill and european fan are similar, but the european fan is smaller with a skinnier trunk and smaller fronds.

[sotc]

just looks like a palm to me:)

[NickfromWI]

Gigi- washingtonia don't have all that fuzzy hairy stuff all over the base of the trunks like the windmill do. Based on the size of the tree (guessing from the pic) and the presence of the fuzzies, I'm not thinking it is either W. filifera or W. robusta (the only two washingtonias I know).

Looks at me talking about palms like I know a little about them!!!

love
nick

[Paul B]

John thinks it is some type of hybrid Washingtonia. I thought it was a washy also, but the trunk just did not ring true for me. Can you get a close up of the trunk?

John who? Is he a member here?



:P

[vharrison]

Gigi- washingtonia don't have all that fuzzy hairy stuff all over the base of the trunks like the windmill do.
Looks at me talking about palms like I know a little about them!!!

love
nick

I agree, Nick.

[vl2007]

I pruned four Washingtonia robusa's yesterday. Here's one before and after shot. Took about 45 min, each. Used an adjustable false croch setup.

[MasterBlaster]

That looks like a lotta fun!

[vharrison]

That looks like a lotta fun!

Come on down, between vl2007 and Dot Palm, we could let you have all the fun you wanted! :D All the way from Key Largo to Key West!

[Skwerl]

Were you able to get in those palms from the roof? Looks like it would have been a lot easier than climbing over or through that huge skirt. In years past I've been known to take a ladder up on the roof and use it to access the top of some tall washies.
;)

[Mr. Sir]

That looks like a lotta fun!

Obviously, you've NEVER pruned a Washingtonia robusta. :P

[vl2007]

Were you able to get in those palms from the roof? Looks like it would have been a lot easier than climbing over or through that huge skirt. In years past I've been known to take a ladder up on the roof and use it to access the top of some tall washies.


No, the adjustable false croch is very fast and safe. It takes about 10min to set the bull rope & climbing line, and about 2-3min to climb over the skirt.

[Skwerl]

I tried setting ropes in palms several times in the past, only succeeded about half the time. Even when I got the throwline through the head, it would pull down tight between the fronds and I couldn't pull a rope through the head. Your only chance was for the throwline to get caught on a frond and stay up out of the head until you got the rope through. If the rope didn't catch on the thorns, that is. :X

Bucket truck is the only way I do them any more. ;)

[vl2007]

I use this setup every week, and no problems. The trick is to move away from the palm when pulling the rope, giving a better angle. This was in a back yard, no truck access. The other choices would be spike it, (very dangerous if the skirt comes loose), or use a ladder,(also dangerous if the skirt comes loose). It works great for me, and i can charge a good price. Starting price is 195.00 and can go up to 350.00.

[Skwerl]

That works! Most folks won't charge more than $50-$75 per palm around here.

I trimmed 14 washies last month that were 45-50' tall and had NEVER been trimmed. Full skirts to the ground. I had over 6 hours on that one and that was cutting out of the bucket truck. I don't know what the job sold for, I just get my normal hourly rates.

[vl2007]

full skirt to the ground would be like 900lbs and up. That I would have charged around 650.00-800.00.

[MasterBlaster]

Obviously, you've NEVER pruned a Washingtonia robusta. :P

What? Those are my favorite palms to climb! I like trimming them wearing shorts and no shirt, just to keep cool.

[vl2007]

What? Those are my favorite palms to climb! I like trimming them wearing shorts and no shirt, just to keep cool.

Yea, the blood dripping down your arms and legs would keep you cool.


Most folks won't charge more than $50-$75 per palm around here.
Thats about what i charge to clean coconut palms

[MasterBlaster]

True, I've nicked myself once or twice.

[Bodean]

I hear "black widow" is the line of choice for setting a block in a palm.

Pruning the palm isn't half as long as the cleanup, in my opinion.
Maybe i'm cleaning too much.

[vl2007]

I hear "black widow" is the line of choice for setting a block in a palm.



I tried the black widow, but I have no confidence in a line that small. I use 1/2 stable braid & the omni swivel block.

I also got the black widow stuck in the tree once. That never happened with the 1/2".

[Bodean]

sweet.

I've never used it, just heard.
We use a stable braid, kermantle.

The omni swivel sounds cool.

Do you change ends of the line for both sides of the tree?

or just work both sides from one side of the tree?

[vl2007]

I use my lanyard to position myself around the tree. works great.

[Bodean]

Sweet.

Know what kinda palm that first picture on the first page is?

[stehansen]

I only climbed one palm using a rope over the top. I cheated and got within 20' with my bucket and threw the rope over the canopy. I used 1/2" arborplex and I pulled up a rigging pulley with a climbing rope in it. It is surprisingly easy to work the other side of the tree, the only bad thing about the way I did it was you are always cutting close to your rope. About half way up my guys started helping me pull on the rope, I didn't comlain.

[Skwerl]

Sweet.

Know what kinda palm that first picture on the first page is?

A couple guys identified it as a windmill palm. I agree, that's a more accurate answer than my original guess.

[squisher]

Well if you were wrong the first time why should we beleive you now?:D

[Bodean]

Windmill palm it is then.

Thank you

[stehansen]

Here is a picture of a windmill palm from some palm tree website.

[NickfromWI]

Did anyone say the botanical name yet? I'm trying to lern m'self that one.

[stehansen]

Trachycarpus fortunei.

[NickfromWI]

Thanks!

If I spell it, it might memember it better.

Trachycarpus fortunei

Is that pronounced for-toon-ee?

[vl2007]

Come on down, between vl2007 and Dot Palm, we could let you have all the fun you wanted! All the way from Key Largo to Key West!


Gigi, yea, see alot of Washingtonia's around with full skirts, so homeowners must like the look, or cann't afford to have them cleaned.

[vharrison]

Gigi, yea, see alot of Washingtonia's around with full skirts, so homeowners must like the look, or cann't afford to have them cleaned.

We had a washy in our yard that had a perfect skirt, went all the way to the ground, until one of our guys took it upon himself to clean it. I had not noticed it till he pulls up in our yard all proud of himself, saying "look what I did". Nice job, Marvin. :what:
What are you gonna do but :)?

[MasterBlaster]

So sometimes you leave those skirts? They are an attractive thing?

[Skwerl]

They are attractive to the tree owners who don't want to pay to have them trimmed twice a year!
:lol:

[MasterBlaster]

That's the way all the skinny palms around here are. I don't think I've seen a single one that's been trimmed. It's like the people here don't pay them any attention or GAS.

[vharrison]

So sometimes you leave those skirts? They are an attractive thing?

Yes, sometimes people leave them and think they are attractive. It is a matter of opinion. Marvin was of the opinion they should be trimmed, John, not so much.:lol:

[stehansen]

Thanks!

If I spell it, it might memember it better.

Trachycarpus fortunei

Is that pronounced for-toon-ee?

Like I know. I just got it off that same website where I got the picture.

[stehansen]

Yes, sometimes people leave them and think they are attractive. It is a matter of opinion. Marvin was of the opinion they should be trimmed, John, not so much.:lol:

I think an untrimmed washingtonia may be the ugliest tree on earth.

[Mr. Sir]

Thanks!

If I spell it, it might memember it better.

Trachycarpus fortunei

Is that pronounced for-toon-ee?

I believe it is pronounced for-toon-ee-eye.

[Mr. Sir]

I think an untrimmed washingtonia may be the ugliest tree on earth.

You mean like these?

[MasterBlaster]

They remind me of a corn dog.

[Bodean]

They look like easy cash to me.

[Banned by Squirrels]

Don't know bout the easy part D.

[sotc]

I believe it is pronounced for-toon-ee-eye.

i beleive that would end in ii not ei, but im not to good with this here spellang stuf:)

[stehansen]

You mean like these?

Yep, and they get really good looking when the leaves rot off of the lower fronds just leaving the stalk.